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Post by camrok on Apr 2, 2016 2:46:28 GMT -8
I just popped this running 7009 movement with brilliant blue dial in an skx with a dud movement to see how the dial would look.  I think it's a great classic look but... Because it's a 7009 movement the day date would always be an issue and the stem won't engage to time keeping position, probably because of its length or the spring. 2 questions: 1-Would this dial fit on a 7s series movement and drive me to finally learn servicing. 2-will a 7009 or 7006 movement slot in easily whilst I postpone my need to learn servicing. |
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Post by SeikoPsycho on Apr 3, 2016 3:35:37 GMT -8
The 7009 dial should fit the 7S26 movement.
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Post by camrok on Apr 3, 2016 3:56:41 GMT -8
The 7009 dial should fit the 7S26 movement. The movement fits nicely and found a retaining ring to hold it down. The dial fits perfectly. The problem is the double stem with spring system or it may have a slightly different stem end. When you engage the stem in say 0 position it continues to set the hand. I'm not sure if it's worth modifying a stem to complete this mod. Would the blue 7009 dial fit a 7s26? Cam |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 8:00:29 GMT -8
The 7009 dial should fit the 7S26 movement. The movement fits nicely and found a retaining ring to hold it down. The dial fits perfectly. The problem is the double stem with spring system or it may have a slightly different stem end. When you engage the stem in say 0 position it continues to set the hand. I'm not sure if it's worth modifying a stem to complete this mod. Would the blue 7009 dial fit a 7s26? Cam The other not so obvious problem is that when the stem/crown is pushed all the way in; it changes the day display on the 7009; so no way to prevent that with a spring and lock crown. |
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Post by camrok on Apr 3, 2016 13:59:52 GMT -8
The other not so obvious problem is that when the stem/crown is pushed all the way in; it changes the day display on the 7009; so no way to prevent that with a spring and lock crown. This only affects the day advancement that I can live with. But I think there is a difference between the end of the stem size or shape. The 7s26 diver stem clicks in ok but will not advance the date at the first position and when engaged in time keeping mode will advance the time while your screwing in the crown. I checked this with a 7006 also with its movement in a movement holder and it does exactly the same thing. Which makes me think different shape and size of the stem end. The only thing I can think of is if a 7002 stem is slightly different and try that. Cam |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 15:10:55 GMT -8
The other not so obvious problem is that when the stem/crown is pushed all the way in; it changes the day display on the 7009; so no way to prevent that with a spring and lock crown. This only affects the day advancement that I can live with. But I think there is a difference between the end of the stem size or shape. The 7s26 diver stem clicks in ok but will not advance the date at the first position and when engaged in time keeping mode will advance the time while your screwing in the crown. I checked this with a 7006 also with its movement in a movement holder and it does exactly the same thing. Which makes me think different shape and size of the stem end. The only thing I can think of is if a 7002 stem is slightly different and try that. Cam Yes, the stems are different. On the watches that can change day/date by pushing the crown, the shoulder near the end has to allow the stem to seat further into the case. The others can't be pushed in as far so sit in the wrong positions for time setting etc. Even though the 7009 was the direct predecessor to the 7s26, many subtle changes were made for the new calibre(read cost reduction). |
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Post by camrok on Apr 3, 2016 15:30:07 GMT -8
I though that about the stem pushy day thing and tried the 7006 but had the same problem. Does that have the day push thing too or is it just the stem shape and size?
If so would a 7002 diver male stem part work. I'm not worried about the day changing in 7006. As I thought it was a 2100-2400 change mechanism any way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 17:22:16 GMT -8
I though that about the stem pushy day thing and tried the 7006 but had the same problem. Does that have the day push thing too or is it just the stem shape and size? If so would a 7002 diver male stem part work. I'm not worried about the day changing in 7006. As I thought it was a 2100-2400 change mechanism any way. I may be wrong but I thought the 7006 had both day and date changed by pushing the crown in. You're just going to have to source the correct stem for the movement then fit whatever crown you want to it. |
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Post by mikeyt on Apr 4, 2016 18:07:44 GMT -8
I though that about the stem pushy day thing and tried the 7006 but had the same problem. Does that have the day push thing too or is it just the stem shape and size? If so would a 7002 diver male stem part work. I'm not worried about the day changing in 7006. As I thought it was a 2100-2400 change mechanism any way. I may be wrong but I thought the 7006 had both day and date changed by pushing the crown in. You're just going to have to source the correct stem for the movement then fit whatever crown you want to it. For what it's worth, the date on a 7006 sets by turning the crown. The day is a semi-quickset. Turn back and forth between 11P and 2A. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 18:52:45 GMT -8
I may be wrong but I thought the 7006 had both day and date changed by pushing the crown in. You're just going to have to source the correct stem for the movement then fit whatever crown you want to it. For what it's worth, the date on a 7006 sets by turning the crown. The day is a semi-quickset. Turn back and forth between 11P and 2A. Maybe I am confusing it with the 7019 or some other calibre. |
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Apr 6, 2016 5:27:00 GMT -8
7009 = push to change day, pull to change date 7019 = push to change day, pull to change date 7006 = pull to change date, rock between 9pm and 1am for day For what it's worth, the date on a 7006 sets by turning the crown. The day is a semi-quickset. Turn back and forth between 11P and 2A. Maybe I am confusing it with the 7019 or some other calibre. |
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Post by rob3rto on Apr 6, 2016 9:29:54 GMT -8
7009 = push to change day, pull to change date 7019 = push to change day, pull to change date 7006 = pull to change date, rock between 9pm and 1am for day Maybe I am confusing it with the 7019 or some other calibre. 7019 = Push lightly and it changes date but push harder and it changes day. Or vice versa. (Runs to check his 7019-5000) |
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Post by HiBeat on Apr 6, 2016 9:39:54 GMT -8
7009 = push to change day, pull to change date 7019 = push to change day, pull to change date 7006 = pull to change date, rock between 9pm and 1am for day 7019 = Push lightly and it changes date but push harder and it changes day. Or vice versa. (Runs to check his 7019-5000) You got it right ! |
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Apr 6, 2016 15:57:50 GMT -8
I've got a 7019 in my hand now, it's push to change day, pull and turn to change date. 7019 = Push lightly and it changes date but push harder and it changes day. Or vice versa. (Runs to check his 7019-5000) You got it right ! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 18:00:19 GMT -8
I've got a 7019 in my hand now, it's push to change day, pull and turn to change date. It was the 6119C I was thinking of. I'll have to check the two or three 7019s I have. |
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Post by HiBeat on Apr 6, 2016 19:31:14 GMT -8
The 7006 has the quickset date, but the day wheel only advances across midnight, so you swing between 9 pm and 2 am, etc.
The 7009 has the same date quick set but introduced the day by pushing in the crown.
The 7019 is just a higher jeweled 7009, so the same.
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Post by camrok on Apr 6, 2016 20:16:06 GMT -8
Sooooo do you think it's reasonably easy to find a male stem that will fit both a 7006 movement and a skx female stem and crown. I know it's a long shot. Just seems like a sturdier movement than the 7s26
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Apr 6, 2016 20:52:54 GMT -8
All SEIKO 61 series and push for day/date 63 series are pull and turn for day/date I've got a 7019 in my hand now, it's push to change day, pull and turn to change date. It was the 6119C I was thinking of. I'll have to check the two or three 7019s I have. |
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Apr 6, 2016 20:55:52 GMT -8
Nope, it's a piece of shit. 7S26 has a better finish and has more modern alloys on the balance/mainspring. There is very little difference besides minor design changes and the 7009 has a metal intermediate wheel on the date system. That said, plastic gears are generally better on the date system because there is less drag/weight, which means better consistency in amplitude particularly during the date change process. You'll get a straight line on a 7S series movement, 7009 will be a bit wonky. That all comes down to alloy quality. Sooooo do you think it's reasonably easy to find a male stem that will fit both a 7006 movement and a skx female stem and crown. I know it's a long shot. Just seems like a sturdier movement than the 7s26 |
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Post by camrok on Apr 10, 2016 14:04:28 GMT -8
Do all 7 series dials interchange? I really like the blue in this 7009
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