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Post by Groundhog66 on Aug 1, 2013 6:36:47 GMT -8
What are your favorite movements, current or vintage, and what makes them great IYO.
Also, tell me the ones you try to avoid, and what makes them inferior IYO.
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Post by seikoholic on Aug 1, 2013 6:44:36 GMT -8
I work with vintage movements most of the time, so I can't speak for modern movements. And my perspective is based on ease of servicing and regular problems encountered, in addition to what I prefer wearing.
That said, I prefer day/date models, 4 o'clock crowns (more ergonomically accessible). I'm not as big a fan as push quickset movements, so that rules out the 6106 / 6119 (though they're cool). So... 6309.. .except that the lowered jewel count isn't so awesome. Plus I like hacking. 6306. Though in a pinch I'll take a 6319 too. Non-hacking but they're 21j. On that subject, I don't know why more guys aren't crazy about the 6319s - I'm starting to hoard them.
The only movement I can think of that I truly don't like is the 7619 - not because it's a bad movement however. It's an orphan movement with some funky things about it (date quickset for example) that are unique, easy to break, and hard / expensive to replace.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2013 9:07:28 GMT -8
6309, 6319 and 6349. These are all the same movement with the 6319 having 4 more jewels than the 6309 and the 6349 having two more than the 6319.
So far in my work on the project watch; I'm finding that the 6349 seems to be better finished but that may be because the movement is absolutely pristine and has never had a screw driver on it since the factory released it.
When the project is done; I'm sure that the 6349 will be my favourite Seiko calibre(unless I come into a SD).
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Post by seikoholic on Aug 1, 2013 9:38:28 GMT -8
6309, 6319 and 6349. These are all the same movement with the 6319 having 4 more jewels than the 6309 and the 6349 having two more than the 6319. So far in my work on the project watch; I'm finding that the 6349 seems to be better finished but that may be because the movement is absolutely pristine and has never had a screw driver on it since the factory released it. When the project is done; I'm sure that the 6349 will be my favourite Seiko calibre(unless I come into a SD). I just went and bought a 6349 to look at personally. I've got a hacking kit sitting around - maybe I'll make a hacking 6349.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2013 9:41:10 GMT -8
6309, 6319 and 6349. These are all the same movement with the 6319 having 4 more jewels than the 6309 and the 6349 having two more than the 6319. So far in my work on the project watch; I'm finding that the 6349 seems to be better finished but that may be because the movement is absolutely pristine and has never had a screw driver on it since the factory released it. When the project is done; I'm sure that the 6349 will be my favourite Seiko calibre(unless I come into a SD). I just went and bought a 6349 to look at personally. I've got a hacking kit sitting around - maybe I'll make a hacking 6349. That would rule! I don't need the hand winding but hacking would be the perfect topping for this calibre chinathumbsup.gif
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Post by normdiaz on Aug 1, 2013 15:43:54 GMT -8
Seiko 6M26 because I like a chrono without subdials plus AC.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2013 17:18:35 GMT -8
Seiko 6M26 because I like a chrono without subdials plus AC. Cool
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Post by cobrajet25 on Aug 1, 2013 23:41:13 GMT -8
I generally dislike 70-series watches.
Their tiny balance wheels mean that they have to be pretty up-to-date in terms of service in order to run.
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Post by DAHASCO on Aug 2, 2013 4:18:31 GMT -8
I like 6105's, 6309's, 6306, I do love the 7549,8,6's also chinathumbsup.gif
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Post by seikoholic on Aug 2, 2013 12:01:46 GMT -8
I generally dislike 70-series watches. Their tiny balance wheels mean that they have to be pretty up-to-date in terms of service in order to run. I've never had more trouble with balances than with the 7 series. Fussy, temperamental, prone to serious amplitude issues with the slightest variation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2013 12:25:28 GMT -8
I generally dislike 70-series watches. Their tiny balance wheels mean that they have to be pretty up-to-date in terms of service in order to run. I've never had more trouble with balances than with the 7 series. Fussy, temperamental, prone to serious amplitude issues with the slightest variation. Even the newest C versions? I would have though that the extra adjustability of the newer stud holder and regulator pins would have helped a lot. The only problems I've had with the 70xx balances is my blundering around and into the hairsprings. Perhaps it's because they are half the size of 6xxxseries...
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Post by seikoholic on Aug 3, 2013 9:50:12 GMT -8
I've never had more trouble with balances than with the 7 series. Fussy, temperamental, prone to serious amplitude issues with the slightest variation. Even the newest C versions? I would have though that the extra adjustability of the newer stud holder and regulator pins would have helped a lot. The only problems I've had with the 70xx balances is my blundering around and into the hairsprings. Perhaps it's because they are half the size of 6xxxseries... Mostly I've been running into issues with the newer series - I had an identical issue with the balance in my Spork. I replaced that one with an A balance / bridge (straight drop-in) and that cured it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2013 9:58:06 GMT -8
Even the newest C versions? I would have though that the extra adjustability of the newer stud holder and regulator pins would have helped a lot. The only problems I've had with the 70xx balances is my blundering around and into the hairsprings. Perhaps it's because they are half the size of 6xxxseries... Mostly I've been running into issues with the newer series - I had an identical issue with the balance in my Spork. I replaced that one with an A balance / bridge (straight drop-in) and that cured it. Just so folks don't get the wrong idea; the A will drop into the B but not the C. Seiko rationalized parts with the C for better inventory control and many of the new parts are not interchangeable with the older A and B versions. The A version is also the stable one and we never hear about looped hairsprings with it like we do on the B and C(bad design).
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Post by seikoholic on Aug 3, 2013 10:00:25 GMT -8
Mostly I've been running into issues with the newer series - I had an identical issue with the balance in my Spork. I replaced that one with an A balance / bridge (straight drop-in) and that cured it. Just so folks don't get the wrong idea; the A will drop into the B but not the C. Seiko rationalized parts with the C for better inventory control and many of the new parts are not interchangeable with the older A and B versions. The A version is also the stable one and we never hear about looped hairsprings with it like we do on the B and C(bad design). I dropped an A directly into the Spork - should I not have been able to?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2013 10:40:57 GMT -8
Just so folks don't get the wrong idea; the A will drop into the B but not the C. Seiko rationalized parts with the C for better inventory control and many of the new parts are not interchangeable with the older A and B versions. The A version is also the stable one and we never hear about looped hairsprings with it like we do on the B and C(bad design). I dropped an A directly into the Spork - should I not have been able to? What was in the Spork ... 4r15?
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Post by seikoholic on Aug 3, 2013 10:43:49 GMT -8
I dropped an A directly into the Spork - should I not have been able to? What was in the Spork ... 4r15? yessir, and it worked great. Still does actually.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2013 10:48:46 GMT -8
What was in the Spork ... 4r15? yessir, and it worked great. Still does actually. That's because the 4r15 was simply a 7s26B with one more jewel. A will drip into B thunbsup.gif It's interesting that we haven't seen the 4r15 since the Spork was discontinued. Randall Benson speculated that it might have been noting more than a developement platform for future calibres and it turned out he was right on the money.
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Post by donciccio on Aug 3, 2013 12:32:01 GMT -8
I will always love the 6309/6105 calibers for ease of service and they're downright fun to work on. I also am a fan of the ETA 2824 and similar variants.
As far as quartz goes I love the 7548 from Seiko which would include the 7546 and 7549. I despise the plastic 7N43 series from Seiko though and often choose to just swap it out as opposed to work on.
The ETA 955.412 /124/ 956 series are dreams to work on as far as Swiss quartz is concerned , but I hate the ETA G10 quartz chrono series as well as the ETA 804 / 805 series of quartz movements. They are mostly plastic and pains in the ass to work on.
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Post by mikeyt on Aug 3, 2013 20:02:19 GMT -8
I generally dislike 70-series watches. Their tiny balance wheels mean that they have to be pretty up-to-date in terms of service in order to run. I've never had more trouble with balances than with the 7 series. Fussy, temperamental, prone to serious amplitude issues with the slightest variation. Is this true with the 7002 as well? There have been a lot of negative comments about these movements over the years. Could this be why?
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Post by seikoholic on Aug 3, 2013 20:04:42 GMT -8
I've never had more trouble with balances than with the 7 series. Fussy, temperamental, prone to serious amplitude issues with the slightest variation. Is this true with the 7002 as well? There have been a lot of negative comments about these movements over the years. Could this be why? actually I've had great luck with 7002's. 7019s are another matter.
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