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Post by small on Jan 30, 2019 15:27:54 GMT -8
Added one more today. Thought it would be two but wasn't paying enough attention. As I was trying to record what I bought in an excel I realized it's actually a 7006! Good watch anyway but not what I had hoped. I'll post pictures in the mail thread of both next. I may need another post but we'll see what comments/help I get here.
I used Borel's website and data base to come up with all 7009 references. The data base had 536 unique references. I pulled out any that ended in "9" for North America, Seems like there was a "0" for every "9" but there wasn't a "9" for every ???X series. There were references that started with 2XXX and none ended in a "9". So narrowing the list down to only "9's" I came up with a total of 39. (Yes I've mentioned most of this before but I'm catch others up) Using google images I have been able to find examples of most all of the 39 except for the following 6:
7009-3049
7009-3129
7009-4279
7009-5109
7009-6009
7009-8629
Can anyone verify if these example actually exist or like a few things on Borel's it isn't as accurate as we'd like? Maybe your google-fu is better and you can find a photo of one of those?
Now if I win a couple more auctions this week, and with I have coming and those six truly don't exist then I have but five to go to have completed the collection. That is having every reference, not saying what condition their in, just that I have an example. I'd love to make it an all stainless collection, but there have been some that I have not seen in stainless either.
Now once it's all together what will I have???
I'm reminded of a story from Hemming's where they talked of a group of cars coming up for sale. It seem that a Cable music channel VH1 (I don't think its around anymore) decided to run a raffle using a 1-900# at $2 a call or something; to try and win every corvette made to date and IIRC it was the 50 year anniversary of the vette. Side note; there was no limit to home many eateries you could make. Turns out it was one of the most "profitable" promotions ever. They set an ad budget for $XXX and ended up making 2 or 3 times that....Anyway. A guy won, a working guy like most viewers of the channel. So sort of like supplying wal-mart "The good news is you just won 50 corvettes! The bad news is you just won fifty corvettes...
So will I just have a bunch more watches when I'm done? I hope I could put something nice together and show something and add to the Seiko community. I think I have already determined that the 7009's started almost a decade ahead of where others seemed to think they started...But outside of that...
Again if anyone has knowledge of those I listed above please feel free to share here....
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Post by pip on Jan 31, 2019 1:33:28 GMT -8
Just occurred to me to check the Seiko casing parts lists for 7009 regarding the start dates. I have a ‘75 casing parts list (not the JDM one) and that one does not include the 7009 movement. I also have a ‘76 watch parts interchangeability list which as I’m sure you know is a different beast (again it’s a ROW version) which DOES include the 7009. I don’t have a later ‘casing parts list’ or else I could list for you all the model numbers in there. Maybe someone who has ones from the late ‘70’s to mid ‘80’s could scan or photograph the relevant page and post it here? Pic from the Pallet Cock page of the ‘76 WPI book  |
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Post by small on Jan 31, 2019 7:59:29 GMT -8
Just occurred to me to check the Seiko casing parts lists for 7009 regarding the start dates. I have a ‘75 casing parts list (not the JDM one) and that one does not include the 7009 movement. I also have a ‘76 watch parts interchangeability list which as I’m sure you know is a different beast (again it’s a ROW version) which DOES include the 7009. I don’t have a later ‘casing parts list’ or else I could list for you all the model numbers in there. Maybe someone who has ones from the late ‘70’s to mid ‘80’s could scan or photograph the relevant page and post it here? Pic from the Pallet Cock page of the ‘76 WPI book Thanks for that I'd love to get a hold of a book like that or even a PDF to add to my reference material. You say the '76 is a different beast, maybe I don't know as much as you think. The only reason I'm saying '75 is the start is by "award" watches starting with "5" June being the soonest. Those most awards we're '76 or '78...so it would figure that a "5" would be '75 if the award was '76, or '78? Where I work they bought who knows how many watches to pass out and had them for years 10? 12? and then when they couldn't get them anymore they went wit buying another type... |
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Post by pip on Jan 31, 2019 8:57:17 GMT -8
Sorry, I meant the type of books are different, not just the years. One is about the model and talks about case and dial and hands and crystal etc and the other talks about the movement and talks about the bridges and the train and pallets etc.
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Post by pip on Jan 31, 2019 9:02:29 GMT -8
I don’t know what time of year the books are published, but I could imagine that a model that was released in ‘75 wouldn’t be in the book until ‘76.
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Post by small on Feb 1, 2019 16:05:06 GMT -8
Teaser as I'm almost there....  |
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Post by small on Feb 4, 2019 6:39:43 GMT -8
Update grabbed two more over night, of course both weren't for sale before; now there is a second example of each; one in stainless (my preference) and the other with the OEM bracelet! The dry spell to downpour is amazing...Not sure if I'll jump at them as funds are down.... That said; upon review, I do not believe the following references exist, in a NA version or possibly any version for that matter. Again if anyone has any of these, or is aware if they actually do exist someplace, other than a "database" like Borel's, it would help bring the collection to a close, and I can start the next phase. I don't have ALL but I'm down to but a few  References in doubt SEK CS#7009-3049 SEK CS#7009-3129 SEK CS#7009-4279 SEK CS#7009-5109 SEK CS#7009-6009 SEK CS#7009-8039 SEK CS#7009-8119 SEK CS#7009-8629 SEK CS#7009-8769 Not big on double posting but wonder if the forum at large might not be the better place to post this for help? |
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Post by small on Feb 6, 2019 6:10:22 GMT -8
Figured I'd dump the before and after here of the dial. Boy do I love plastic... Before  After  |
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Post by pip on Feb 6, 2019 6:36:20 GMT -8
I've found a pdf of the 1977 JDM Casing Parts guide. Doesn't list 7009's. As the 1976 RoW Parts Interchangeability guide does list them, it would be a decent theory that the 7009 was released RoW earlier than JDM - remembering always though that this is Seiko and they do weird shit just for the fun of messing with our heads, or so it would seem. I'll keep digging and see if I can find a copy of a RoW Casing Parts for 77 or later.
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Post by small on Feb 6, 2019 8:19:06 GMT -8
I've found a pdf of the 1977 JDM Casing Parts guide. Doesn't list 7009's. As the 1976 RoW Parts Interchangeability guide does list them, it would be a decent theory that the 7009 was released RoW earlier than JDM - remembering always though that this is Seiko and they do weird shit just for the fun of messing with our heads, or so it would seem. I'll keep digging and see if I can find a copy of a RoW Casing Parts for 77 or later. Thanks for keeping a look out for me Pip I bid on another reference that has a '77 date, the dial is a commemorative, dated 1977, so I'm guessing there are many references out there in Mid to late 70's. Since its believed to have been replaced by the 7S in the mid 90's, might make it about the most produced movement Seiko made in terms of years...and for good reason...they run well. Actually I need to look up if there was overlap between the two and when officially the 7009 stopped. I am planning on becoming more scholarly about the 7009 as time goes on, trying to find annual catalogs with each references to support the dates in the serial numbers...and maybe how long a particular reference was being produced. What other options there were, some gold tone, different dial configurations etc...First though is to get all of them, then build the data base. #29 of 30 has a bid in so fingers crossed I can quit buying for a while. Again amazed at how it went from a steady stream to zero to a flood... |
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Post by pip on Feb 6, 2019 8:31:00 GMT -8
Out of interest, if June 75 is the earliest you have, what is the latest?
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Post by small on Feb 6, 2019 11:26:18 GMT -8
Out of interest, if June 75 is the earliest you have, what is the latest? I'm thinking because of the case design Jun of 93. The case looks like a Datejust with a Fluted bezel I know the 80's the Rolex clones were becoming abundant, not sure if Seiko joined in with the wave or was later into that game. I didn't look for and don't recall seeing many inscribed watches with newer dates? I have found Japaneses Seiko catalogs and looked for the 3119 but it in neither the '83 or '93 show it. I have looked a year ahead and back but still nothing. I subbed a 1 and a 0 into the 9 spot hoping to find images of them being the same as the 9 but nothing pops up, which explains there not being one in the JM catalog... More work ahead. |
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Post by small on Feb 9, 2019 6:17:04 GMT -8
The latest to land in the collection 3179 from 1984. Non running, badly scratched crystal, that someone kept bidding up on me, well over any value I see, unless your trying to build a collection and this is one of the last ones you need. This is an oddity and I have not seen replies in the Feiko thread, but wonder about this...Its a 7009-3179 w/o Seiko on the outside case back, only stamped on the inside. I have not seen any 3179 references with Seiko on the outside. All the dials and movements check out to my eye as being on the up and up. If these are early 80's references would the fakes have been better then with respect to dial and movement, and they botched the case? Or does this happen n other Seiko's I'm not aware of...yet?   |
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Post by small on Mar 1, 2019 18:07:18 GMT -8
Recognizing I'm still short several references but completing a few series' I continue to seek out the 7009's. In all the NA's that I have none seem to have a DX dial, and there are very few 7009's out there that seem to have them. Reading the Seiko Branding dictionary it seems to say that DX was strictly marketing and nothing more. That said why wasn't it applied to the North American Market do you think? Or are there some out there from different years of the same reference?
Just a curiosity not much more, although if I ever complete this collection I may just search out the DX9's!
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Post by small on Jul 22, 2019 15:00:56 GMT -8
This is from the horseshoe thread I started asking how late or early did the "horseshoe backs" appear with 7009's "akable" was kind enough to provide the following...(Again 1975 is the earliest 7009 which would be late for the "horseshoe backs"...the examples of them that I have all seem to date from 1979-1982...for regions "0" "8" and "3") I know that this is an old thread but thought that I may be able to add some useful information. When at the Seiko museum I checked a official Seiko book that lists the first market release for specific movements. The 7009 was first sold in May 1975. Note this is the first public sale not production so there will be cases that are dated 6 to maybe 12 months earlier but this would be about the limit. This does indicate that the original watch was from 81 as it would be extremely unlikely that this would have been produced and then sat in a warehouse for four years before sale. It does not explain why the horseshoe case backs were used this late but hopefully adds a little bit more information. |
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Post by small on Nov 19, 2019 15:22:29 GMT -8
Okay I hope to find this in a XXX9 reference one day at an affordable price. I'm putting this here as another reference of the 7009 watches in general that I've come across that are less common. Kind of an odd duck like the horseshoe backs on some late model 7009's though those have their own thread. This example is but one of two "dive" watches made with a 7009 movement. This is a 7009-8560. The bezel has been repainted more or less. The case hasn't been polished and it has more likely than not the original bracelet. The case is super thick. The dial has SPORT on it in blue which is also unique for a 7009 as is the arrow on the seconds hand. There's been a few listed over the last year or so, but they don't pop up that often Seems to be running, we'll see over night how well. Having issues with imgur lately so just reposting the sellers pic.  |
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