Info Needed - Bell & Ross and Jorg Hysek

[Groundhog66]

I’m trying to help someone out, can anyone give me some information on these watches, authenticity, perhaps what they’re worth?

[philsinclair]

Hi. Both watches were high end new and both now look like they have been rumbled through a gravel quarry. To get anywhere near a decent price they need to be professionally restored. Bell and Ross and Jorg Hysek are both well known brands, particularly in high end tool watch circles.Price estimates are not relevant in this condition. Cheers Phil

[tritto]

I googled fake BR01-94 and found a couple of thread describing common mistakes on the fakes. This one doesn't seem to have those problems, so perhaps authentic. Best check would probably be looking at the movement though.
Has someone hacked at the hex screws on the back, or is that just dirt? Seems those hex screw relate to the lugs, not opening the case?

[Groundhog66]

Dec 6, 2017 16:19:46 GMT -8 philsinclair said:

Hi. Both watches were high end new and both now look like they have been rumbled through a gravel quarry. To get anywhere near a decent price they need to be professionally restored. Bell and Ross and Jorg Hysek are both well known brands, particularly in high end tool watch circles.Price estimates are not relevant in this condition. Cheers Phil

Any idea as to what a spa treatment might cost, and what they might be worth afterward?

Dec 6, 2017 16:46:05 GMT -8 tritto said:

I googled fake BR01-94 and found a couple of thread describing common mistakes on the fakes. This one doesn't seem to have those problems, so perhaps authentic. Best check would probably be looking at the movement though.
Has someone hacked at the hex screws on the back, or is that just dirt? Seems those hex screw relate to the lugs, not opening the case?

I'll have to take a better look, but it looks as if someone opened it...or at least tried.

[sn13]

The B&R, ....it must have a 2824 with Depraz module. Not something that is Faked unless it's a quartz. Most Fake Chronos are either a 7750 or a modified 7750 to move the seconds position. Modifying the seconds position usually pushes the movement away from the dial to make room for extra gears, causing a "Sunken" date wheel.

Given it's not sunken, and the Seconds are at 3, its a Modular Chrono which is typically what I see on B&R watches.

The JH is a quartz movement so I have no idea.

[philsinclair]

Yeah. The Bell and Ross would be probably be worth 3k plus after a service and a polish. I assume it’s genuine so normal job on a Swiss movement and case. The Hydek value is too hard for me to estimate as I have very little interest in quartz even if it’s hi gh end Swiss. Cheers Phil

[Groundhog66]

Any idea as to who might be a good resource for spa treatment on these?

[philsinclair]

Sorry mate. Only know guys here in Aus. Ask Adrian for info. Cheers Phil

[Groundhog66]

Perhaps he would be better off listing them on the Bay, and just see what they'll fetch.

[pip]

That's a fake Seiko 2628-5100...

*which by the way is on my wish list in case anyone has one they'd like to part with.