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Post by SeikoPsycho on Aug 10, 2019 4:46:07 GMT -8
I recently received one of the new "Pricey" aftermarket 6139 Speedtimer bracelets. Was it worth it?? At first glance it looks like a very good reproduction bracelet but lets size it up against an original bracelet and see how it compares............ On top is the new reproduction bracelet. On bottom we have an original bracelet. The only major difference is the number of links. The original has had some links removed. A closer look at the clasps reveals a slight difference in the size of the Seiko + Sports 5 Text. You probably wouldn't notice the difference unless you compare it side by side with an original. As we venture into more "In Depth WISdom" when it comes to Speedtimer bracelets it's important to note that there are actually 2 different original versions of the Speedtimer bracelets: The Early Version + the Late Version. From the top side they look identical. From the underside we can note that the early version's end links are stamped 6139 600 while the later version end links are stamped XAA 301. In the photo below we see the Early Version next the the Aftermarket Version. The end link as been reproduced very well with only a noticeable difference in the font of the stamping. Early Original on left - Aftermarket on right. Aftermarket on top, Late original version in middle, and Early version on bottom.............. The second difference we notice is the length of the underside of the clasp. On the early bracelet it is shorter and measures 35mm. On the later Version and the Aftermarket Version it is longer and measures 40mm. Aftermarket bracelet on top. Early original bracelet on bottom The 3rd and final difference we notice is on the end link of the bracelet that attaches to the end link for the case. On the Early original version it's just 2 links that are secured to the case end link by the spring bar. On the Late Original version and the Aftermarket version there are actually 2 small tabs that help secure the bracelet to the end link along with the spring bar. Aftermarket on top - Early original on bottom Early Original on Left, Late Original in middle, + Aftermarket on right Aftermarket on top, Late Original in the middle, + Early Original on bottom Aftermarket on top, Late Original in the middle, + Early Original on bottom I can't give any exact info regarding when the early Speedtimer bracelet was replaced by the Late Speedtimer bracelet but I can narrow it down a bit. The Early bracelet is from a Speedtimer dated June of 69' while the later version is dated from a Speedtimer dated Nov 70'. What's the Final Verdict? The Aftermarket Speedtimer bracelet is a Very Good reproduction bracelet. Who ever created this bracelet did their homework and the quality of the bracelet is Top Notch! Is it worth what they are asking?? I'd have to say no but hopefully prices will drop as more suppliers come on line. The bracelet I bought was from a seller in the Philippians while it was dropped shipped from Singapore. There's only one question left in my mind: Who's bracelet is it??........
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Post by cobrajet25 on Aug 10, 2019 6:02:07 GMT -8
Great write-up, Tom! One question: are the removable links on the repro bracelet compatible with the original bracelets? If so, whomever is making them could sell a TON of replacement links.
I could use one or two myself...
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Post by HiBeat on Aug 10, 2019 6:24:01 GMT -8
Great write-up, Tom! One question: are the removable links on the repro bracelet compatible with the original bracelets? If so, whomever is making them could sell a TON of replacement links.
I could use one or two myself... I ‘ve had 6 of the originals over the years, until I grabbed an NOS they usually had either one or no removable links. Spare removable links and replacement end links are much needed. AWESOME review Tom - Thank You !
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Post by SeikoPsycho on Aug 10, 2019 6:42:11 GMT -8
Great write-up, Tom! One question: are the removable links on the repro bracelet compatible with the original bracelets? If so, whomever is making them could sell a TON of replacement links.
I could use one or two myself... Thanks Aaron! As soon as I make a little progress on "someone's 6139".....I'll see if the links interchange and report back..............
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Post by SeikoPsycho on Aug 10, 2019 6:42:49 GMT -8
Great write-up, Tom! One question: are the removable links on the repro bracelet compatible with the original bracelets? If so, whomever is making them could sell a TON of replacement links.
I could use one or two myself... I ‘ve had 6 of the originals over the years, until I grabbed an NOS they usually had either one or no removable links. Spare removable links and replacement end links are much needed. AWESOME review Tom - Thank You ! Thanks Jon!
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Post by SeikoPsycho on Aug 10, 2019 12:17:41 GMT -8
Update: The links do not interchange. There is a slight difference in the width of the small center links. The clip pins are very similar to the original design but I will say they are a tight fit and not so easily removed.
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Post by Deegz on Aug 11, 2019 6:01:49 GMT -8
Perfectly timed post as I picked up a 6032 speed timer and have been on the look out for a period correct bracelet. The repro looks pretty good for an am bracelet but the original is what I like how hard is to come across an original version of these and what is an acceptable price? Great post Tom, thanks for the info!! there isn’t much posted on these particular bracelets for some reason.
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Post by SeikoPsycho on Aug 11, 2019 12:57:49 GMT -8
I'm searching for Seiko parts on a daily basis and I seldom, if hardly ever, remember seeing a used Speedtimer bracelet come up for sale. I don't search on Yahoo JP because the extra cost involved just isn't worth it for me when it comes to parts. I did however pick up a nice used one a while back for $175. That's way above what I would consider paying but I bit the bullet because it was a fresh listing and a rare find. I also knew that with a "buy it now" it probably would have been snatched up in an instant by someone else if I didn't act quickly.
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Post by HiBeat on Aug 11, 2019 13:12:09 GMT -8
I'm searching for Seiko parts on a daily basis and I seldom, if hardly ever, remember seeing a used Speedtimer bracelet come up for sale. I don't search on Yahoo JP because the extra cost involved just isn't worth it for me when it comes to parts. I did however pick up a nice used one a while back for $175. That's way above what I would consider paying but I bit the bullet because it was a fresh listing and a rare find. I also knew that with a "buy it now" it probably would have been snatched up in an instant by someone else if I didn't act quickly. So that was you ! I missed by an hour !
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Post by Deegz on Aug 11, 2019 17:55:47 GMT -8
I'm searching for Seiko parts on a daily basis and I seldom, if hardly ever, remember seeing a used Speedtimer bracelet come up for sale. I don't search on Yahoo JP because the extra cost involved just isn't worth it for me when it comes to parts. I did however pick up a nice used one a while back for $175. That's way above what I would consider paying but I bit the bullet because it was a fresh listing and a rare find. I also knew that with a "buy it now" it probably would have been snatched up in an instant by someone else if I didn't act quickly. In your experience are used bracelets worth the premium or 50+ years of use puts stretch and damage on the bracelet to the point of it being a bracelet you can’t wear on the daily? The reason I ask is if I do come across a well worn example should I go for that or just stick to an uncle seiko version?
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Post by SeikoPsycho on Aug 12, 2019 2:34:10 GMT -8
Some vintage bracelets wear better then others. It all depends on the bracelet. These Speedtimer bracelets seem to wear well and I haven't had one I'd be afraid to wear a watch on.
Other 6139 bracelets don't fare so well. Some of the styles with tiny wires between the links for instance.
If you have a bracelet that's questionable, I'd play it safe and use an aftermarket alternative.
Uncleseiko has some very nice alternatives to meet our needs or to supply a reproduction bracelet in the absence of an original.
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Post by timezer0 on Aug 12, 2019 14:25:00 GMT -8
excellent, I thoroughly enjoy reading this and will use it as a reference in the future. Most of mine 6139 have Uncle Seiko bracelet on them, now if Uncle made these with the same spec, you know it would be sweet.
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Post by SeikoPsycho on Aug 12, 2019 15:15:59 GMT -8
Another Link to WISdom............ I mounted up the bracelet and have worn it for a couple of days. I would have to say it is as comparable in comfort as an original. I will note that the end links don't fit as flush as I would like but only a persnickety WISer like us would notice and in the scheme of things not a deal breaker for me. I still feel the price is about twice what the bracelet is worth but hopefully prices will drop due to lack of sales at the current price level. Time will tell........... When it comes to removing links it's such a tight fit that you'll almost need a pair of link removing pliers. A spring bar tool is just not stout enough. Now to link interchangeability: The issue with the incompatibility is the aftermarket link will insert in the Original link but the original link will not insert correctly in the Aftermarket link due to the inner links being too wide. Aftermarket link on left, Original on right: Original Link on left, Aftermarket on right: As you can see in this photo the fit is tight and you're unable to re-insert the link clip. This is where, with a little Tweaking, by filing down the connecting links, you could probably make it work...... As you can see in this photo the link clips are very similar but the finish is a little rougher on the Aftermarket clip. I discovered smoothing out the finish with 1500 grit sand paper did help and made it easier to re-install them. Aftermarket on top, Original on bottom: Hopefully, now that you're all "Linked up", you'll be able to tell the difference between and Aftermarket bracelet and an Original bracelet. This should help everyone decide on which route to take when pursuing one of these bracelets or to distinguish what's what when purchasing one of these Speedtimer bracelets ...................
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Post by suntzu on Aug 12, 2019 15:24:40 GMT -8
Fantastic write up!
Those end links not fitting flush would make me bonkers If you're shelling out a lot of money for an aftermarket Speedtimer bracelet, it better fit seamlessly. My Uncle Seiko's do and they're @ $50.00.
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Post by SeikoPsycho on Aug 12, 2019 16:03:31 GMT -8
Fantastic write up!
Those end links not fitting flush would make me bonkers If you're shelling out a lot of money for an aftermarket Speedtimer bracelet, it better fit seamlessly. My Uncle Seiko's do and they're @ $50.00. Thank you!
You must be one of Them Thar Persnickety WISer's I mentioned...............
Generally I also prefer a smoother end link fit. I tried to lesson the gap by tweaking the end link but due to it's design it isn't possible so all I can do is except it and move on......... I'm not going to sit here and let it bother me at this point. Having an aftermarket replacement Speedtimer bracelet overrides something that nobody but me will notice.
One thing to note is that even the Original bracelet end link pokes out just a bit on the very bottom. Not as much as the Aftermarket though.
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Post by suntzu on Aug 12, 2019 16:23:30 GMT -8
Fantastic write up!
Those end links not fitting flush would make me bonkers If you're shelling out a lot of money for an aftermarket Speedtimer bracelet, it better fit seamlessly. My Uncle Seiko's do and they're @ $50.00. I'm not going to sit here and let it bother me at this point. Having an aftermarket replacement Speedtimer bracelet overrides something that nobody but me will notice. You sound like my father. He always said to me when I'm nit picking, "a man running for his life will never notice it."
Yes, a replacement Speedtimer bracelet is very cool to own. Hopefully Uncle Seiko is listening and will pay close attention to those end links. Could be a great seller. I would need three.
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Post by cobrajet25 on Aug 13, 2019 0:10:32 GMT -8
Perfectly timed post as I picked up a 6032 speed timer and have been on the look out for a period correct bracelet. The repro looks pretty good for an am bracelet but the original is what I like how hard is to come across an original version of these and what is an acceptable price? Great post Tom, thanks for the info!! there isn’t much posted on these particular bracelets for some reason.
I have only ever found ONE of these bracelets "a la carte". I picked this lot up for lunch money about three years ago. Nobody else spotted this bracelet, which is the 'later' version. The rest of the lot was basically junk. The bracelet is in good shape, and came with sections of old-skool white pipe cleaners holding the end links on. I haven't seen pipe cleaners since I was a kid!
I always imagined it was deliberately removed not too long after the watch was purchased...and probably replaced with an OMSB. There is a dent in one end link, but I was able to massage nearly all of it out.
They are out there, but are obviously quite hard to find. I am very happy somebody is making a good quality re-pop version.
I couldn't find this picture on my computer, but I knew I had posted it here in the 'mail thread'. So I had to type what I thought I wrote in the mail thread into Google to find the page with the picture. When I re-saved my picture, the damned thing came with a fcukin' Photobucket "tattoo".
Photobucket can eat the hairiest part of my ass...
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Post by SeikoPsycho on Aug 13, 2019 1:14:40 GMT -8
Perfectly timed post as I picked up a 6032 speed timer and have been on the look out for a period correct bracelet. The repro looks pretty good for an am bracelet but the original is what I like how hard is to come across an original version of these and what is an acceptable price? Great post Tom, thanks for the info!! there isn’t much posted on these particular bracelets for some reason.
I have only ever found ONE of these bracelets "a la carte". I picked this lot up for lunch money about three years ago. Nobody else spotted this bracelet, which is the 'later' version. The rest of the lot was basically junk. The bracelet is in good shape, and came with sections of old-skool white pipe cleaners holding the end links on. I haven't seen pipe cleaners since I was a kid!
I always imagined it was deliberately removed not too long after the watch was purchased...and probably replaced with an OMSB. There is a dent in one end link, but I was able to massage nearly all of it out.
They are out there, but are obviously quite hard to find. I am very happy somebody is making a good quality re-pop version.
I couldn't find this picture on my computer, but I knew I had posted it here in the 'mail thread'. So I had to type what I thought I wrote in the mail thread into Google to find the page with the picture. When I re-saved my picture, the damned thing came with a fcukin' Photobucket "tattoo".
Photobucket can eat the hairiest part of my ass...
That was a great find Aaron!
We've both been around long enough to remember the days when many thought the Speedtimer bracelet was a "Funky" design, didn't care much for it, and often times replaced it with an "H" link bracelet. My, how times have changed. For the record, I've always like the design.....
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Post by cobrajet25 on Aug 13, 2019 2:13:01 GMT -8
I have only ever found ONE of these bracelets "a la carte". I picked this lot up for lunch money about three years ago. Nobody else spotted this bracelet, which is the 'later' version. The rest of the lot was basically junk. The bracelet is in good shape, and came with sections of old-skool white pipe cleaners holding the end links on. I haven't seen pipe cleaners since I was a kid!
I always imagined it was deliberately removed not too long after the watch was purchased...and probably replaced with an OMSB. There is a dent in one end link, but I was able to massage nearly all of it out.
They are out there, but are obviously quite hard to find. I am very happy somebody is making a good quality re-pop version.
I couldn't find this picture on my computer, but I knew I had posted it here in the 'mail thread'. So I had to type what I thought I wrote in the mail thread into Google to find the page with the picture. When I re-saved my picture, the damned thing came with a fcukin' Photobucket "tattoo".
Photobucket can eat the hairiest part of my ass...
That was a great find Aaron!
We've both been around long enough to remember the days when many thought the Speedtimer bracelet was a "Funky" design, didn't care much for it, and often times replaced it with an "H" link bracelet. My, how times have changed. For the record, I've always like the design.....
Times certainly have changed. When I posted this pic on the WHYCITM thread in 2016, I said, "Find the treasure!"
Most of the responses were something along the lines of, "Ummmm...maybe the bracelet?" Bet anyone here would know that bracelet now!
I always liked these as well, but I understand how others might see them as a bit wild. Personally, I don't like a 6139-6000/6139-603x Speed-Timer on anything BUT this bracelet. Just doesn't look right!
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Post by scubarob99 on Aug 13, 2019 3:28:58 GMT -8
I'm not going to sit here and let it bother me at this point. Having an aftermarket replacement Speedtimer bracelet overrides something that nobody but me will notice. You sound like my father. He always said to me when I'm nit picking, "a man running for his life will never notice it."
Yes, a replacement Speedtimer bracelet is very cool to own. Hopefully Uncle Seiko is listening and will pay close attention to those end links. Could be a great seller. I would need three.
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