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Post by daveswordfish on Jun 8, 2013 14:41:29 GMT -8
So, what are your thoughts on Spring Drive? I've been bitten by the bug! Are they the greatest thing since sliced bread or overhyped quartz? Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 15:03:23 GMT -8
So, what are your thoughts on Spring Drive? I've been bitten by the bug! Are they the greatest thing since sliced bread or overhyped quartz? Well; since it isn't a quartz watch in any way shape or form; it must be the best thing since sliced bread. I spent a lot of effort over on WUS trying to educate the 'it's a quartz watch' mentality. I went into the inner workings of how the electromagnetic and electronic portions worked and how the quartz crystal does not regulate or time the watch. Those who wanted it to be a quartz watch were eventually shut down when Dave Hillier came up with the Seiko patent that described exactly what I had been saying all along The Spring Drive is a mechanical watch with and electromagnetic/electronic escapement. It generates it's own electricity so does not need a battery or capacitor. If I ever have the spare cash laying around; I will surely have one someday.
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Post by daveswordfish on Jun 8, 2013 15:06:57 GMT -8
Well, doesn't the quartz oscillation regulate the "brake" that replaces the escapement, thereby controlling the energy release of the mainspring? I love them...but isn't it just a more evolved form of quartz regulation?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 15:19:52 GMT -8
Well, doesn't the quartz oscillation regulate the "brake" that replaces the escapement, thereby controlling the energy release of the mainspring? I love them...but isn't it just a more evolved form of quartz regulation? Nope...the quartz crystal is there only as a reference for error correction. Without the crystal in the trisyncro regulator; the movement would simply keep time like any other mechanical watch. How Seiko uses the crystal is to compare it's frequency to that generated by the mainspring driven glide wheel. If the glide wheel falters from it's designed 8 Hz spin, due to gravity, inertia, temperature, bumps and positional changes; the electronic circuitry collects the differences between the glide wheel and the crystal for a certain period of time then either slows the glide wheel down or allows it to speed up until the error has been removed. The crystal has no actual affect on the glide wheel as it would in driving the stator of a quartz watch. Spring Drive could work just fine without the crystal but a quartz watch would not function at all.
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Post by daveswordfish on Jun 8, 2013 18:39:38 GMT -8
Great post Pete...thanks. In all the stuff I've seen, I never understood its function was error correction instead if full regulation. Very cool. Thanks for taking the time to explain!
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Post by 69ChevelleSS on Jun 8, 2013 18:48:44 GMT -8
I'd give my left for one of those spring drive divers!
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Post by HiBeat on Jun 8, 2013 19:15:07 GMT -8
I gotta get the SBGA011 Snowflake before I die. I had the pleasure to try one on right before Christmas but just couldn't muster enough selfishness to spend all the family Christmas Gifts and kid's Spring Tuition money on myself !
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Post by kingrat on Jun 9, 2013 14:50:28 GMT -8
Pete I don't have a clue what your on about but it sounds very cool. Im in
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Post by rawwwrrr on Jun 9, 2013 15:05:35 GMT -8
One day I hope to have a few grand I can spare to drop on one. Until then I'll stay content with the few less expensive ones I have now. I do like the Snowflake, but the SPS007 Anata Spring Drive Chronograph tops my list right now.
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Post by estrickland on Jun 11, 2013 9:45:02 GMT -8
Spring Drive is pretty great. Great PR, amazing sweep seconds, and my Snowflake is up there with HAQs at ~6sec/year.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 16:46:08 GMT -8
Although i prefer a full mechanical escapement , Spring Drive Seiko's are very sweet time piece's .
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Post by SpinDoctor on Jun 29, 2013 7:11:33 GMT -8
In my mind Spring Drive is the greatest advancement in watchmaking since quartz. And it is completely absolutely underappreciated.
While the Swiss are celebrating incremental advancements to 250 year old technology with the same scope of impact as improving the scissors, Japan is actually redefining timekeeping technology.
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Post by daveswordfish on Jun 29, 2013 18:45:23 GMT -8
It's an incredibly cool bit of engineering and inspiration. Unfortunately, Seiko could make a traditional automatic that was within +/- 1 sec per day and the Swiss, and Swiss lovers, would still find fault.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 18:58:45 GMT -8
In my mind Spring Drive is the greatest advancement in watchmaking since quartz. And it is completely absolutely underappreciated. While the Swiss are celebrating incremental advancements to 250 year old technology with the same scope of impact as improving the scissors, Japan is actually redefining timekeeping technology. Absolutely agree :-)
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Post by WatchDawg on Jun 29, 2013 20:22:54 GMT -8
Another round of applause for Pete from me, so clearly put forward mate, an epiphany for me, thanks a million. cheering-clapping-smiley-emoticonAnd Spin Doctor, that was a brilliant analogy re the Swiss. thunbsup.gif
I love the Spring Drive caper, even though I've never been in the same room as one, if I was being super picky, the reserve indicator is something I'd dig to see disappear if at all possible, just a poofteenth 'busy' visually . . . but it's a moot point given it's all about accuracy.
I'm starting to feel just a tad superior about my quartz collection now . . . laugh1.gif
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Post by serdal22 on Jun 30, 2013 10:47:23 GMT -8
Thank you for this awesome explanation, Peter.
I never considered SD technology as quartz. For me it is mechanical technology with controlled accuracy.
I had a SD MM600 Marine Master and loved it.
My next SD will be a SBGE009 GS SD GMT.
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Post by sdoocms on Jun 30, 2013 11:00:14 GMT -8
One of these days, more than likely in my wildest dreams, I will own a Spring Drive Diver... yes1.gif
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Post by seikomatic on Jul 1, 2013 20:45:55 GMT -8
Will go for SD if I would buy my next Seiko and there is no tuning back for me Two of mine..
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Post by daveswordfish on Jul 1, 2013 21:06:46 GMT -8
Very nice...love the Ananta!
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Post by serdal22 on Jul 1, 2013 21:43:37 GMT -8
I always have loved your avatar, my friend. Yummy yummy YUMMMMMMMMM!
Ehm, where was I? Yes, I used to have the MM600, and I'd love to get another SD, this time a GS SD since HS keeps its value much better.
Enjoy your gorgeous avatar, ehm, I mean your timepieces in the best of health, Comrade...
(Am I getting notty or what? I don't want to give bad reputation to sailors!) ;-)
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