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Post by ninja01 on Aug 9, 2014 18:56:47 GMT -8
Part I All of the following were items I've purchased from Philippine sellers, while in the Philippines over the last 5+ years. Some from eBay, some from a Philippine owed sales board in a forum here. Seiko:   The movement of the early 2nd Generation Grand Seiko hand-wind, which was later redesignated as the cal. 5722A. The following are of my cal. 6216 - a 39j auto that was essentially a 1st Generation automatic GS (6246) but without all the fine-adjustment of that calibre:    And there you see the only real "problem" with it - the dial toning. But these were MUCH harder to find than a 6246 (at least outside Japan). Now, a close cousin, an early 6218, 35j auto:   A pair of Seiko-J13.083_Cal395: Considered by some Japanese writers to be a "trial" for a luxury Automatic from Seiko or predecessor to an Automatic GS:    I also got another here in much better shape: - show you later!! My 6246 Chronometer!!    Stopping here for now. There are SO many more... |
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Post by ninja01 on Aug 9, 2014 19:06:36 GMT -8
Seikos, continued: Seiko-KS-4402    Not perfect, but quite nice for the price I paid ... looks nicer than the pics too!      Someone say "factory fresh"  In this last shot you can just barely make out the ORIGINAL factory sticker on the bracelet buckle (inside). Following is a 1st Generation (Marvel base, predecessor to 5740A) Lord Marvel - early production with the ENGRAVED dial text:   Also note the "set screw" on the balance adjuster mechanism ... also a sign of early production (AFAIK). Seiko_Liner_23j  An early Marvel, 19j (those had the copper plated movements) with the predecessor to Diashock, Antishock:   Only thing "wrong" with this one is a replacement crown, not of original type. |
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Post by ninja01 on Aug 9, 2014 19:12:14 GMT -8
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Post by ninja01 on Aug 9, 2014 19:22:51 GMT -8
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Post by Groundhog66 on Aug 9, 2014 19:29:27 GMT -8
:winner:
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Post by ninja01 on Aug 9, 2014 21:20:56 GMT -8
OK, continuing with newer purchases which were in a different set of folders: 1. Seikos:  Much better looking than the picture makes it look.   Early hi-end variant of the cal. 603 with a beautifully rose-gold toned (aged) dial. A 1st Generation (pre-44A) King Seiko:  It does have a replacement crown, but nice overall! Love the caseback design:   |
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Post by ninja01 on Aug 9, 2014 21:39:27 GMT -8
Next, Seikos again: A really hard to find movement type, the Hi-beat Presmatic (5146). This is the lower jewel-count variant (27j, they also had 30j), but it's probably one of the very nicest condition examples of a 5146 I've seen anywhere in the world!    Now, that 2nd, and much better, example of the cal. 395 J13.083 that I mentioned earlier in the thread:    Another Lord Marel 1st Generation w/ Engraved dial text. Interesting inscription inside case-back:  And the movement shows a very unusual type of serial#(only 4 digits):    Again, note the engraved text in the top line of the dial. Another cal. 603 in 30j variant:    That is the "downside" of this watch ... too bad about the deep scrapes, otherwise it's real nice!  OK, another hi-beat Presmatic, different case style & not as well preserved - but much cheaper!!   continued... |
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Post by ninja01 on Aug 9, 2014 21:49:06 GMT -8
Seiko UNIQUE U14012 15j   But, the downside, in a way. It's a re-dial ... but likely and OLD re-dial from Japan(?) showing an interesting cultural quirk:  Apparently, someone was trying to replicate the Citizen "Center Second" model name, but spelled things in a non-standard way... as someone who is not a native to the English language might. Now, a real "star" of the collection. The LARGE size 1st Generation King Seiko [pre-44!] with the Special Dial  It has the correct crown too!   Beautiful non-numbered calibre movement of the 1st Generation KS!  And again, the Cross, Crown, and Shield medallion:  Next post, I'll switch to Citizens!! All from the Philippines!! |
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Post by J. F. Sebastian on Aug 9, 2014 21:52:03 GMT -8
Some beautiful watches in this collection, you should be proud! Thanks for sharing. Seems like the Philippines is not all bad!
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Post by ninja01 on Aug 9, 2014 21:56:02 GMT -8
Citizen again! A "Pilots style" 39j Super Auto Dater:  These are automatics with the "sharks tooth" rotor for auto-winding!  Now, a dress version in the "Jet" badging:   Now, I realize it's not perfect but these are VERY hard to come by! A Super Ace!   I'd say similar quality level to a Seiko Cronos Special.  Next installment: more Orients! |
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Post by ninja01 on Aug 9, 2014 22:13:16 GMT -8
Orients I've found in the Philippines ... Many of these following are rather hi-end (movement quality) items which were primarily sold in the Japanese Domestic Market: 1. Orient's 1st generation of automatic. It was based upon the Royal hand-wind movement:  Now, anybody recognize the auto-wind mechanism here???   Hint: think of a luxury Swiss brand!! And now, a very close relative of the base movement for the above automatic:     Now, a ca. 1964 automatic @ the high-end said to be chronometer grade capable by Japanese writers. It was supposedly produced for the 1964 Tokyo Olympics:  The automatic side of the Grand Prix family (the hand-wind replaced the Royal as the highest quality movement in the Orient line-up). And yes, the 100 refers to 100 jewels:   Again, you can see that same auto-winder design as in the 1st Generation seen above.  While the crown is in rather lousy shape, these are extremely hard to come by & often - if they are found - have missing case-back medallions (if SS case) or are just parts lots, etc. I was quite lucky to find this one "intact" - clean, but just with the worn winding crown. Now, the hand-wind version of this family!     And that, I think concludes the look @ my Japanese-made "beauties" found in the Philippines. As you know, I put in some of the American-made watches I bought here into another thread or 2 over in the non-Japan section. I'll go and add my Swiss items there as well ... there are some truly impressive ones I've found here (Girard-Perregaux, IWC, Omega, ...). |
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Post by ninja01 on Aug 9, 2014 22:21:47 GMT -8
Some beautiful watches in this collection, you should be proud! Thanks for sharing. Seems like the Philippines is not all bad!Exactly the message I'm trying to convey.... of course now, I'll probably be making more competition for myself in the auctions over here  ...  Well, that's OK, I'm pretty much through my "bucket list" of "have-to-haves". And, thanks for the compliment. Yeah, developing a collection to be proud of is work, research, and perhaps more than all that, patience. I've been collecting watches since the late '90s. |
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Post by jkchua on Aug 9, 2014 22:32:32 GMT -8
Always nice to see your rare beauties Sir Don. I find myself drawn into watches again and these are my hauls since early this year  John Oh, and they are from here in the Philippines. A couple from fellow collectors, watchmakers, local buy and sell sites Attachments:
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Post by SpinDoctor on Aug 10, 2014 9:25:58 GMT -8
Gosh what a wonderful collection.
No doubt there are good, honest genuine sellers in the Philippines. People are people the world over and there's good and bad examples of individual behavior. It is unfortunate that a few "high profile" sellers can taint the perception of an entire collection of people. But to be honest after looking at your collection, I wouldn't be in much of a hurry to correct the perception. Just for selfish reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 13:14:46 GMT -8
You have a nice collection of classical watches  One of my favourite watches is my Citizen Super Jet. The movement is wonderful to admire. Such a shame the back is not glass  Called a Jet because of the noise it makes when the autowind mech is moving although if I were on a jet that sounded like that I'd jump right back off! For the record some of my best buys have been from the Philippines and some of my worst from the UK! It's the seller not the country that matters!  |
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Post by ninja01 on Aug 10, 2014 13:44:34 GMT -8
Gosh what a wonderful collection. No doubt there are good, honest genuine sellers in the Philippines. People are people the world over and there's good and bad examples of individual behavior. It is unfortunate that a few "high profile" sellers can taint the perception of an entire collection of people. But to be honest after looking at your collection, I wouldn't be in much of a hurry to correct the perception. Just for selfish reasons. Thanks for your appreciation ... Maraming salamat po! [Many thanks Sir!] What you say is exactly the message I'm trying to convey. There's good & bad sellers & watches in every country. The job of the intelligent collector (or other kind of watch buyer) is to be discerning and do "due diligence" when making a purchase. Now, on correcting the perception & having it backfire??? Yeah sure!! I know! I think I mentioned it earlier this thread too  But then, I've been doing that for years @ {site name deleted} with the Auction Review section of that site. I say the good & the bad about eBayPH and other sales venues from here: {link deleted} At least I've gotten through the vast majority of my "buy list" by now!!  |
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Post by ninja01 on Aug 10, 2014 13:50:17 GMT -8
You have a nice collection of classical watches One of my favourite watches is my Citizen Super Jet. The movement is wonderful to admire. Such a shame the back is not glass Called a Jet because of the noise it makes when the autowind mech is moving although if I were on a jet that sounded like that I'd jump right back off! For the record some of my best buys have been from the Philippines and some of my worst from the UK! It's the seller not the country that matters! Again, thanks for the appreciation! The Jet & Super Jet is an interesting movement family. I've heard that story about the naming too, but I've also heard that is "urban legend" and not actually why Citizen named them Jet as well. Unfortunately, can't find the write-ups now. I don't know the "truth" of it though, so I'm NOT saying you are wrong. Anyway, here's a link to Sweephand's article on them: sweep-hand.org/the-jet-automatic/Lots of good data there! I do also know some Japanese web site articles that discuss them in depth. Don't have time now, but will try to find them again. I think I saved some of them in my own "database" too! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 14:14:13 GMT -8
You have a nice collection of classical watches One of my favourite watches is my Citizen Super Jet. The movement is wonderful to admire. Such a shame the back is not glass Called a Jet because of the noise it makes when the autowind mech is moving although if I were on a jet that sounded like that I'd jump right back off! For the record some of my best buys have been from the Philippines and some of my worst from the UK! It's the seller not the country that matters! Again, thanks for the appreciation! The Jet & Super Jet is an interesting movement family. I've heard that story about the naming too, but I've also heard that is "urban legend" and not actually why Citizen named them Jet as well. Unfortunately, can't find the write-ups now. I don't know the "truth" of it though, so I'm NOT saying you are wrong. Anyway, here's a link to Sweephand's article on them: sweep-hand.org/the-jet-automatic/Lots of good data there! I do also know some Japanese web site articles that discuss them in depth. Don't have time now, but will try to find them again. I think I saved some of them in my own "database" too! I thought it was probably a urban legend to be honest! Still makes a nice little story. I think they were more than likely called the 'Jet' series as it was the new technology of the day. The Jet age! Yours looks in better condition than mine! Although mine does keep excellent time still. If your interested I do know someone who is selling a 'Junior Jet' the 17 jewel version and it is practically in 'un worn condition' and includes it's original leather strap which is also like new. Let me know if you are interested and I'll put you onto the guy. I will look at that article on Sweephands site when i'm more awake tomorrow thanks! All the best, Tone |
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Post by ninja01 on Aug 10, 2014 20:39:39 GMT -8
... If your interested I do know someone who is selling a 'Junior Jet' the 17 jewel version and it is practically in 'un worn condition' and includes it's original leather strap which is also like new. Let me know if you are interested and I'll put you onto the guy. I will look at that article on Sweephands site when i'm more awake tomorrow thanks! All the best, Tone Hey, thanks for the offer! I suspect though that you do NOT live in the Philippines. So... makes it hard for me to buy if from outside. We have rather steep (and arbitrary depending on who exactly is inspecting the package that day) customs duties & VAT ... plus with vagaries of the mailing system, I really only feel comfortable buying from within. I will also say that my main collecting "thrust" these days is relatively high quality movements in gold cases [solid or heavy filled]. In large part that's to keep my collection from growing in quantity, except veeeerrrryyyy slowly Not sure either how much "iha" (Tagalog for daughter) will appreciate the collection when I'm gone anyway. Her in center of shot:  Me on right ... and "The Dragon Lady" on the left  More shots of them ... and other ladies in my life here ... @ my post in the following thread: wristsushi.proboards.com/thread/4527/addicts-loved-post-pics?page=3 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2014 12:22:09 GMT -8
... If your interested I do know someone who is selling a 'Junior Jet' the 17 jewel version and it is practically in 'un worn condition' and includes it's original leather strap which is also like new. Let me know if you are interested and I'll put you onto the guy. I will look at that article on Sweephands site when i'm more awake tomorrow thanks! All the best, Tone Hey, thanks for the offer! I suspect though that you do NOT live in the Philippines. So... makes it hard for me to buy if from outside. We have rather steep (and arbitrary depending on who exactly is inspecting the package that day) customs duties & VAT ... plus with vagaries of the mailing system, I really only feel comfortable buying from within. I will also say that my main collecting "thrust" these days is relatively high quality movements in gold cases [solid or heavy filled]. In large part that's to keep my collection from growing in quantity, except veeeerrrryyyy slowly Not sure either how much "iha" (Tagalog for daughter) will appreciate the collection when I'm gone anyway. Her in center of shot: Me on right ... and "The Dragon Lady" on the left More shots of them ... and other ladies in my life here ... @ my post in the following thread: wristsushi.proboards.com/thread/4527/addicts-loved-post-pics?page=3Ah that's a shame about the postage! Although it sounds like you have a nice selection to choose from in the Philippines! I taught self defence in the brit army and later the territorial army. Studied Tang Soo Do since I was 6 the Aikido & Taekwondo in my teens. I now teach free style & self defence to children & women four nights a week. I was teaching in a dojan but the politics got too much for me! Your a lucky guy to have a beautiful daughter even if her mother is the dragon lady? I lost my partner and children many years ago when I was fairly young. Was married again to an American lass but we split and no more kids just a vicious cat. Such is life! I won't post pics of myself though as I'd hate to upset any children reading this! |
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In this last shot you can just barely make out the ORIGINAL factory sticker on the bracelet buckle (inside).
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Called a Jet because of the noise it makes when the autowind mech is moving although if I were on a jet that sounded like that I'd jump right back off!
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