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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 18:31:44 GMT -8
The first dial, is that considered blue? I have the same dial from 6139-6005 and swear its black, not blue, yet black 6139-600x don't exist,right? i also have two blue specimen and I can't even imagine the amount of fading that would have to happen (oh, and both the lighter blue ones had a pretty dark indicator ring, plus one is from 75 the other from 71, so it's not like a certain factory in a certain year made a lighter variation. Can anyone clear this up, please. Rob There was not a black I am sure of this. It's a dark blue dial I am sure people mistake for black. I can see why too as I also have one and they do look black under most natural lighting. Get them under artificial lights and move the dial about and you will see they are a superb shade of dark blue with a red hint. Also when that type of dial gets a little dirty that also makes them look totally black. I gently clean each dial on watches I restore and it's amazing how much dirt on what looks to be a perfectly clean dial can have on it. The colours are basically blue, two shades of yellow R & T and silver the rarest of the troop. The Speedtimer models are another issue as they do have black dial models. I've not seen a single advert for a 6139-600x in black that was not a Speedtimer. That's from my experience although I keep learning about new models and variations on a daily basis with Seiko ownership.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 18:36:10 GMT -8
69 6139-6000 with dark blue dial. Dial number 6000T. Looks black doesn't it! but it's not it's blue for sure.
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Post by jringo8769 on Mar 23, 2015 23:54:01 GMT -8
hey if you ever want any business....let me know...you do great work... and then the lume I tried to apply the lume with a thick coat - the paint helped the lume to flow out to the very edges and when dry I might give them another coat I've now got the hands to do as they are looking very tired.
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Post by scubarob99 on Mar 24, 2015 2:24:30 GMT -8
The first dial, is that considered blue? I have the same dial from 6139-6005 and swear its black, not blue, yet black 6139-600x don't exist,right? i also have two blue specimen and I can't even imagine the amount of fading that would have to happen (oh, and both the lighter blue ones had a pretty dark indicator ring, plus one is from 75 the other from 71, so it's not like a certain factory in a certain year made a lighter variation. Can anyone clear this up, please. Rob There was not a black I am sure of this. It's a dark blue dial I am sure people mistake for black. I can see why too as I also have one and they do look black under most natural lighting. Get them under artificial lights and move the dial about and you will see they are a superb shade of dark blue with a red hint. Also when that type of dial gets a little dirty that also makes them look totally black. I gently clean each dial on watches I restore and it's amazing how much dirt on what looks to be a perfectly clean dial can have on it. The colours are basically blue, two shades of yellow R & T and silver the rarest of the troop. The Speedtimer models are another issue as they do have black dial models. I've not seen a single advert for a 6139-600x in black that was not a Speedtimer. That's from my experience although I keep learning about new models and variations on a daily basis with Seiko ownership. Thanks Tony for clearing that up, everything I ever read never mentioned a black 600X so I sort of suspected it was a dark blue...now for the lighter blue, fading or factory variant? Rob
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 3:30:50 GMT -8
There was not a black I am sure of this. It's a dark blue dial I am sure people mistake for black. I can see why too as I also have one and they do look black under most natural lighting. Get them under artificial lights and move the dial about and you will see they are a superb shade of dark blue with a red hint. Also when that type of dial gets a little dirty that also makes them look totally black. I gently clean each dial on watches I restore and it's amazing how much dirt on what looks to be a perfectly clean dial can have on it. The colours are basically blue, two shades of yellow R & T and silver the rarest of the troop. The Speedtimer models are another issue as they do have black dial models. I've not seen a single advert for a 6139-600x in black that was not a Speedtimer. That's from my experience although I keep learning about new models and variations on a daily basis with Seiko ownership. Thanks Tony for clearing that up, everything I ever read never mentioned a black 600X so I sort of suspected it was a dark blue...now for the lighter blue, fading or factory variant? Rob I'll have to look but I think there are T & R dials like on the yellows. The later dials are lighter in colour than the early dials but not by much. Where it does show is on a NOS watch like my old one here: Thats a 6009'R' dial from 1978.
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Post by scubarob99 on Mar 24, 2015 3:44:38 GMT -8
Ok. Couple of pics. Dark is 72, light is 71, I also have a non resist light from 75 Rob
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Post by scubarob99 on Mar 24, 2015 3:45:27 GMT -8
One more.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 6:06:10 GMT -8
Both 6009T dials Rob. I think the darker one has been effected by the elements where as the lighter dial has lead a sheltered life likely in a underwear draw?!? I am sure they are both blue dials though. The darker one has a little bit of a paint thing going on which I tend to notice on blues that have been used not stored away. That is my guess anyway. I did see a NOS Proof 69 watch on evilbay last year that I wish I had saved the photos off for reference on early dial colours. Shades of paint do vary anyway from batch to batch hence why I was trained to mix paints by eye during my stint with RR when I was young and beautiful. Still not seen any evidence other than people calling the pogues black dial that they ever made them in black.
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Post by jringo8769 on Mar 24, 2015 12:38:19 GMT -8
well i have a proof light blue 6139 dial that i got along the way and you can tell it is original...not faded ...too bad it is not perfect..i have never seen one like it since...
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Post by Mr.Jones on Apr 28, 2015 7:44:47 GMT -8
Well, here is a -6030R dial from a '71 -6002: It only shows in direct sunlight, but it's dark blue. Only the contrast to the black chapter ring really lets you notice the color.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 10:01:48 GMT -8
Well, here is a -6030R dial from a '71 -6002: It only shows in direct sunlight, but it's dark blue. Only the contrast to the black chapter ring really lets you notice the color. Nice watch.
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Apr 29, 2015 1:13:21 GMT -8
That's one of the "Aussie" ones. Green-blue dial, "dark denim" ring and the "president" bracelet. The rings look black but they are actually a really dark blue. Well, here is a -6030R dial from a '71 -6002: It only shows in direct sunlight, but it's dark blue. Only the contrast to the black chapter ring really lets you notice the color.
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Post by feca67 on Apr 29, 2015 2:43:41 GMT -8
I heard a rumour that the Bergeon lume kit is repackaged Super Luminova - is this true does anybody know?
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Post by Mr.Jones on Apr 29, 2015 4:28:35 GMT -8
That's one of the "Aussie" ones. Green-blue dial, "dark denim" ring and the "president" bracelet. The rings look black but they are actually a really dark blue. Well, here is a -6030R dial from a '71 -6002: It only shows in direct sunlight, but it's dark blue. Only the contrast to the black chapter ring really lets you notice the color. You mean the black-looking dial that is blue is actually green-blue and the black looking chapter ring is really dark blue I'll have to take a closer look But the contrast between dial and ring would let me think the ring is black. I have another one from the same year and the ring is a lot more faded (to grey). It's a T dial (with "70M Resist") - so maybe that one came from another source. I bought them both from a chap that got them from his grandfather but did not want them. The grandfather was an engineer and had lots of trips to Japan. The first one broke down eventually so he got another as a replacement. ...and I got them both for a fair price. Now that they were serviced by Tom Hickman, they both run beautiful again.
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Post by Benchdweller on Apr 29, 2015 17:45:55 GMT -8
I heard a rumour that the Bergeon lume kit is repackaged Super Luminova - is this true does anybody know? I was using the Bergeon kits before buying some Noctimlumina, which I believe is Super Luminova rebranded / licensed for the US market, and the Bergeon lume is nowhere near as good. YMMV but the Bergeon lume is a fraction of the price vs SL in Europe and Bergeon is not usually associated with being the cheaper option...
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