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Post by okposo on Mar 19, 2015 11:25:52 GMT -8
My first post on your forum, so a hello to all and thanks for looking. I pick this up a couple of days ago; my first Seiko and only really bought it because of the 1st auto chrono in space story. So can my version be called a Pogue, or is that term reserved for earlier versions? As for the watch: Positives: - I paid very little - runs, day/date sets properly, chrono hand sweeps properly, minute counter sub dial runs and resets - bracelet comfortably fits a 7.5" wrist and is in relatively good condition with some stretch - seems to be all original and unpolished, but I'll leave the final verdict to those with some expertise Negatives: - definitely needs a service. Chrono hand does not reset at all, sub dial needs some persuasion to reset - it's a little rough. Crystal is terrible and the minute hand has lost some lume I would welcome any and all comments; originality, condition, etc My regular watchmaker is booked up with work. Any suggestions for service in Canada (Ontario)? Is any decent watchmaker capable of doing a proper service on the 6139? Thanks again. Here are some pics, and because of the space connection, one with my 105.003 Ed White Speedy and a modern Speedy.
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Post by scubarob99 on Mar 19, 2015 11:55:17 GMT -8
Hi there, very nice 6139, it will clean up very nicely. Col. Pogue's chrono was a two line, water70resist at 9 instead of the marker, yours is a later version, 3 line, no resist on dial, flared H link bracelet. A very nice example, it won't be your last.
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Post by 69ChevelleSS on Mar 19, 2015 11:56:50 GMT -8
Welcome.
That should clean up nicely. Crystals are available from Spencer's wife Sabrina on the vendor forum here. He can also service the watch but he does have a back log (don't know how long it is at this time) so send him a PM. He's in Colorado. Not sure if other members here do chronos so check the vendor listings to see. Spencer also does re-lumes (he did my LeJour and a 6138 Yachtsman I bought from him and they both look great).
Pushers and gaskets could just be gunky but worst case parts (gaskets and springs) are available.
Dial and inner rotating bezel look nice. I don't think the dial is AM based on the overall condition of the watch but others are better at telling than I am.
Overall, I'd say . . . . . SCORE (depending on what you paid for it)! Congrats . . . . . nice watch!
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Post by estrickland on Mar 19, 2015 12:09:13 GMT -8
Nice Ed White! As for the 6139... Pogue is used pretty loosely. Some mean a 6139-600x, others a gold 6139-600x, others a gold 2-line resist 6139-6005, others just the watch worn by Col. Wm. Pogue. Spencer Klein serviced a Pogue for me in the past, and to some degree he specializes in these. He's not in Canada, but he is Canada Nice. I don't see any clear originality problems - this one looks honest to me. As for condition, the lume plots on your dial are in varying condition and like you said your hands are aged/flaking. The lume on the Pogues I've seen hold up pretty well except in the presence of moisture, so I'm worried you might have moisture issues affecting the movement as well. In the end I'm sure it will clean up great. Watchmakers are magicians. FWIW, here's mine: Good luck!
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Post by okposo on Mar 19, 2015 12:12:40 GMT -8
Thanks for the feedback. It was an estate auction find, less than 100 bucks, so pretty hard to go wrong. Is this still referred to as a Pogue, even though Col. Pogue's was a 2-liner? I didn't know anything about these until a couple of days ago, so trying to get up to speed.
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Post by okposo on Mar 19, 2015 12:15:37 GMT -8
Thanks estrickland. I had sent my previous post before looking at yours. I appreciate the feedback
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Post by okposo on Mar 19, 2015 12:18:54 GMT -8
estrickland - forgot to comment on your Pogue - just wow!
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Post by HiBeat on Mar 19, 2015 12:23:07 GMT -8
To most, it's a Pogue.
To some purists, not.
To me, Yes !
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Post by estrickland on Mar 19, 2015 12:24:30 GMT -8
Thanks estrickland. I had sent my previous post before looking at yours. I appreciate the feedback Glad to help. Welcome to the board, and congrats on your All-Man Man's Watch: Also - not sure how much you've looked into these - the 6139 movement is pretty important on its own, independent of the space history.
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Post by sdoocms on Mar 19, 2015 12:26:43 GMT -8
Congrats on a nice find!
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Post by okposo on Mar 19, 2015 12:38:51 GMT -8
Thanks estrickland. I had sent my previous post before looking at yours. I appreciate the feedback Glad to help. Welcome to the board, and congrats on your All-Man Man's Watch: Also - not sure how much you've looked into these - the 6139 movement is pretty important on its own, independent of the space history. Okay, this ad is too much, I love it! Almost better than the watch. Just starting to dig into the first auto chrono movement history as well, so pretty cool.
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Post by earthphase on Mar 19, 2015 16:31:26 GMT -8
I tried asking a chic at the bar the other night "you wanna see my Seiko Chronograph?" It didn't go well.
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Post by Tegger on Mar 19, 2015 16:39:32 GMT -8
My regular watchmaker is booked up with work. Any suggestions for service in Canada (Ontario)? Who is your regular watchmaker? I've read some good reviews about a guy named Shane Ede. Never used him, though. Link to Shane Ede's siteI've been meaning to call him to see what he recommends for my 7546-8049, which is running well, but could use a service.
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Post by cobrajet25 on Mar 19, 2015 21:25:47 GMT -8
Watch looks good! Nothing like an honest 6139...as far as I am concerned, anyway.
Your watch is a -6002. The Colonel's was a -6005. That is why the dial text is different. Watches made up until mid-1972 also had water resistance indications on the dial, so I'd guess yours is a later one. The flared bracelet is usually found on '74-up watches.
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Post by dougbthom on Mar 21, 2015 7:53:26 GMT -8
Great looking piece--congrats! For servicing the 6139 I would strongly encourage you to seek out Spencer Klein in Colorado. Spencer has recently serviced a 6139 as well as a 6138 for me. They look and run like a charm. He does excellent work. You have to be prepared for a bit of a wait but trust me it's worth the wait! I also live in Canada and am very happy I sent my watches to Spencer as he specializes in the 6139 and 6138's. Good luck!
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Post by okposo on Mar 21, 2015 10:47:02 GMT -8
Thanks for all the feedback and service suggestions; much appreciated.
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Post by catkicker on Mar 21, 2015 15:45:38 GMT -8
Beware of the perils of the 6139. The Pogues are like freakin' potato chips...nobody can have JUST ONE. Ask me how I know... -First, you simply want a 'wearable' blue one or a yellow one.
-Then, you need to have a 'wearable' blue one AND a 'wearable' yellow one.
-Next, you want a "notched" case in addition to a "non-notched" case.
-Soon, you understand what is meant by "one-piece" and "two-piece" hands, and you need one of each.
-After that, you want a "Proof", a "Resist", and one with no water resistance indication.
-Then you want two of each with the "fishbone" bracelet and two with the "oyster" bracelet.
-Now, you want two of each on the "flared" and "non-flared" bracelets.
-You realize the first one you bought from the Philippines is a piece of shiiit!
-Now, you want a damned Speed-Timer, but they are hard to find.
-Days later, you realize you need a "Proof", a "Resist", and a no indication...in each color.
-Okay, you got a Speed-Timer, but now want one on it's original bracelet.
-Fuuuck...there is a SILVER ONE, too??
-Before long, you have your heart set on a "true Pogue".
-After awhile, you start hoarding NOS parts.
-'Wearable' isn't good enough anymore, and you now want five 'nice' ones...in both blue and yellow.
-Now, you feel the need to get a scruffy one to wear 'as a beater'.
-OMG, there is a 6139-6000 Speed-Timer with a turquoise dial??
-Wait, what is a "chiclet bracelet"?
-"I wonder if I can find one from each year they were made...1969-1979?"
-You bought a scruffy blue one to wear as a beater...now you need a scruffy YELLOW one to wear as a beater.
-"I wonder if I can find one of each COLOR from every year they were made...1969-1979?"
-Finally, you realize you have 20 of the damned things in your collection, and additional 20 more in parts, and have gone completely insane!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 5:41:43 GMT -8
Very honest looking watch. I call them all pogues, yellow, blue or silver I don't care it's just easier than saying I have a yellow R dial 6139-6005!
The lume looks much nicer when replaced if it's turning black.
Personally I have one of each colour (only one shade of yellow) but I prefer the blue and silver to the yellow dials myself. I also prefer the R yellow to the T yellow even though the T's fetch more money, or over here in the UK the do anyway. Your's is the R from what I can just make out. Some people say there is a black dial version but I don't think that is the case. I think it's a dark blue 'R' dial that has a bit of dirt built up on the dial. I can see why they call them black though as until you get them under certain lighting the do look black.
Enjoy!
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Post by okposo on Mar 22, 2015 6:13:58 GMT -8
Thanks. Yes, it's an R version. I usually try to maintain originality, so my first inclination is to just stabilize the remaining lume and leave it as is. Do you belive most Pogue collectors would relume the hands on my watch? There is a little loss to the minute hand and it has darkened to a not so pleasant color.
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Post by estrickland on Mar 22, 2015 7:19:15 GMT -8
Thanks. Yes, it's an R version. I usually try to maintain originality, so my first inclination is to just stabilize the remaining lume and leave it as is. Do you belive most Pogue collectors would relume the hands on my watch? There is a little loss to the minute hand and it has darkened to a not so pleasant color. I believe most would resume or replace. There's wabi (beauty in imperfection) and then there's normal degradation. You describe it as an unpleasant color and loss, so a relume (or replacement) would be a better choice (watch will be more beautiful to you as an end result). These are not rare watches, so collectible value won't change appreciably either way, and since most people would make the same decision you may increase value.
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