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Post by SpinDoctor on Jul 27, 2013 16:42:23 GMT -8
It should be acknowledged that there is a bit of fanaticism for all things Timefactors/Precista. The public accolades should be tempered a little when researching. Just sayin'.
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Rod
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Post by Rod on Jul 27, 2013 17:26:37 GMT -8
Overall I think it's a nice piece...but this post on their forum gave me a laugh. I want some of what he's having Spot what's wrong? I guess that's one way to compare apples to apples. Aftermarket dial, hands, bezel insert and strap........
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Rod
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Post by Rod on Jul 27, 2013 17:34:41 GMT -8
I was looking at buying a Time Factors watch some time ago, but the many negative stories I read whilst googling (not only the Everest crystal, but batteries that died after 2 months, waterproof problems, stains, dust specs under the crystal and on more than one occasion a complaint about refusal to do something about it) made me very weary. Some of the members of this forum seem to have been kicked off TZ-UK after they complained. I know there are also many positive stories, and I also realise some people are very particular and can sometimes demand unreasonable service, so a single bad review would not neccesarily put me off. No intend to smear someone's reputation, which is all too easy, as Cannop rightly states, but I guess in this transparent world where both good and bad feedback is so freely and easily shared, perception can be a real important factor in people's choice where to spend their hard-earned money. In which case it would be a pity, if Eddy is such a stand up guy, that these opinions keep following him. Any other opinions, please share! Hobbes your right. Duncan unfortunately most on here appear only to have have read the negative comments from Everest customers whose crystals fell out. Maybe you could post some positive comments from Everest customers who lost their crystals but were happy with the outcome? I have three Timefactors watch's and have been very happy with them. My wife also wears one on a daily basis and has done so for the past year, this watch is not well looked after and has withstood the abuse just as well as her Mondaine. I was going to buy an Everest at the time there were some crystal issues, but Eddie suggested that i wait until the crystal problems were identified and sorted. My styling tastes changed over the next few months and i bought a KS Chronometer instead chinathumbsup.gif
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Post by xzqt on Jul 27, 2013 20:21:15 GMT -8
Overall I think it's a nice piece...but this post on their forum gave me a laugh. I want some of what he's having Spot what's wrong? I guess that's one way to compare apples to apples. Haha.... comparing it with this ! What a Joke. Wait !, they do look similar !
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Post by lucilinburhuc on Jul 28, 2013 1:20:43 GMT -8
More proof why I like the Typhoon:
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Post by cannop on Jul 28, 2013 4:15:17 GMT -8
I was looking at buying a Time Factors watch some time ago, but the many negative stories I read whilst googling (not only the Everest crystal, but batteries that died after 2 months, waterproof problems, stains, dust specs under the crystal and on more than one occasion a complaint about refusal to do something about it) made me very weary. Some of the members of this forum seem to have been kicked off TZ-UK after they complained. I know there are also many positive stories, and I also realise some people are very particular and can sometimes demand unreasonable service, so a single bad review would not neccesarily put me off. No intend to smear someone's reputation, which is all too easy, as Cannop rightly states, but I guess in this transparent world where both good and bad feedback is so freely and easily shared, perception can be a real important factor in people's choice where to spend their hard-earned money. In which case it would be a pity, if Eddy is such a stand up guy, that these opinions keep following him. Any other opinions, please share! Hobbes your right. Duncan unfortunately most on here appear only to have have read the negative comments from Everest customers whose crystals fell out. Maybe you could post some positive comments from Everest customers who lost their crystals but were happy with the outcome? Most on here will only have read the thread started on the SCWF by you. It went like this: "About 6-7 weeks ago I bought a watch from an online dealer based in the UK who is very well known in the world of watches:-) I paid £225 plus postage bringing the total to £232. It came with a 2 year warranty. After a couple of weeks it was exposed to water and I noticed that the face had steamed up! Taking a close look at it the crystal then fell out!! I sent the watch back snd was told that it would have to go back to the manafacturers to establish the problem!! I thought it was a pretty clear cut case as being down to the crystal being inproperly installed and as there was no damage whatsoever to the watch a replacement or refund would have been suitable. Anyway nearly 5weeks down the road and still no watch! Good customer service or bad?" A bit of a shit stirring post really as it doesn't give the facts as they happened, and lets not forget yours was the first to be returned with a crystal that fell out so it was hardly a common occurrence. Exposed to water actually meant you were loading/unloading your washing machine when it happened. Eddie was concerned you may have inadvertently caught it on the opening of the washing machine and dislodged it, but more importantly wanted to establish that if this wasn't the case then why did the crystal come out? How totally unfair of him. Eddie asked you to send it back and told you that he would have to send it to the manufacturer he used so they can have a look and see what actually caused the problem, which meant sending it back to Germany. He told you if it was a fault with the watch it would be repaired under warranty but if it had transpired that you had dislodged the crystal by catching it on the washing machine then it would be repaired but there would be a charge due to it being accidental damage. Perfectly reasonable, especially as yours was the first occurrence of the problem. He also told you at the time it would take a few weeks to find out any results, and as soon as he had any news he would be in touch and let you know. You kept on emailing him asking about your watch, what was the problem, when would you get it back etc, when in reality he had no idea as he had had no feedback from Germany. He told you on numerous occasions as soon as he hears anything he would let you know. This wasn't enough for you though and you started a negative thread on TZ-UK about Eddie, which was why you received a ban. It wasn't because the watch had a problem, there are enough objective threads with criticisms about one or another of Eddies watches on the forum if you want to look for them, the ban was due to the constant criticism of Eddie's perceived service that you kept harping on about. Realistically, there was nothing more he could do at that time. You also started threads of a similar nature on the SCWF and now the same over here. At the end of the day your watch was fixed under warranty, at no charge and sent back to you as soon as possible. How is that bad service? There isn't one Everest that has had the same problem that hasn't been addressed by Eddie, either by sending back to him and getting repaired or if it's somewhere where postage costs are higher than fitting costs, sending a new crystal. This has also been the case with watches that have been through numerous owners. There will always be whiners and whingers, unfortunately that's part of running a business, however the majority of people are a little more understanding and realise the logistics behind sending a watch abroad to have the cause of the problem established. I remember another manufacturing problem with another watch Eddie made that never became apparent until they had been used for a while. It was a problem with some COSC standard movements in the PRS22GMT. There was a fault that after period of use caused them to lose about 30 seconds a day. Anyone with an affected movement sent it back, the watch was rectified at no cost, just as it should be. What I do remember about the PRS22GMT episode is people commenting on how efficiently Eddie dealt with it. He may come over as gruff in his manner but I've always found him willing to sort out problems, and like I say I've never had anything but excellent service from him. You however will just continue to slag him off at every opportunity, chuck enough mud and some will stick. C'est la vie.
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Post by cannop on Jul 28, 2013 4:34:34 GMT -8
Cannop just because you had good customer sevice does this mean the ones saying otherwise are lying? It's as though your saying it never happend. I remember on the SCWF forum you said name and shame then on discovering it was a timefactors watch you deleted that As though embarresed. I'm not saying anyone's lying, I'm saying some peoples idea of good/bad service is completely different to mine. Read my post above and I think you'll understand I'm not saying it didn't happen, what a ridiculous thing to assume. In reply to bur's (kingrat's) post I initially said it seemed like terrible service, which if you read his post it did. However when the full story came out and I realised bur's version was far from being the full version or even objective, I changed my mind and my post. I actually changed it to ask bur to direct Eddie to the thread he had started to give Eddie the right to reply. So you've made three points and they're all wrong. Nice one. Perhaps you should do some homework before jumping to conclusions.
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Post by kingrat on Jul 28, 2013 6:45:59 GMT -8
Blimey. Well you certainly put me in my place hey Duncan :-) Kingrat will know to keep his fuking mouth shut next time!!
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Post by kingrat on Jul 28, 2013 9:10:44 GMT -8
Ok Duncan I've just got thru your post and its pretty spot on ( u getting inside information mate? ;-) ) apart from a few little bits. I never started a thread on TZ. I suppose I got banned after my post on SCWF. Your right I did get the watch back after 6 weeks and no the crystal had never been fished out of the bottom of the washing machine like you have stated in the past( you do remember that, tried to make me look a bit of a prick didn't you mate:-) ) As you've correctly said Eddie did tell me it would take a couple of weeks to look at the watch and perhaps that's were I must have got it in my thick head that I'd see the watch back after 2 weeks. I suppose after 5 weeks of Eddies 'gruff manner' as you put it and not knowing when I'd get the watch I asked for my money back and was told the situation hadnt changed and if I chose to get aggressive all communication would cease which it did anyway. I've said nothing about this latest watch on SCWF and I've not slagged him off on here so to say otherwise is wrong of you. In one of your posts on this thread you said that there were customers who'd had problems with their crystals and were happy with the outcome, as a few negative comments had started I merely asked you to put some of these positive comments up mate. That's slagging off to you? What Ive said on SCWF is nothing to what others have come out with so don't go using me as some sort of scape goat. I wish Eddie every success with this model, enjoy your watch when you get it and let's leave this here.:-) Love Kingrat.xx
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Hobbes
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Post by Hobbes on Jul 28, 2013 9:33:08 GMT -8
It should be acknowledged that there is a bit of fanaticism for all things Timefactors/Precista. The public accolades should be tempered a little when researching. Just sayin'. I think you've got a valid point there.
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Post by cannop on Jul 28, 2013 10:02:49 GMT -8
I do think that when a mans livelihood could suffer due to incorrect information or unsubstansiated comments (not you kingrat but the type of thing posted by spindoctor above) I should put the other side of the argument, especially when it's someone I have dealt and never had problems with, in fact quite the contrary.
I'm more than happy to leave it there kingrat, believe it or not I have no beef with you at all.
For any other posters like spindoctor who fancy 'just sayin' things that could adversly affect someones business, how about posting links to the research instead of empty insinuations? That way people may be able to read some information that could help them make up their own minds.
Just sayin'.
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Post by jellyj on Jul 28, 2013 10:35:05 GMT -8
This wasn't enough for you though and you started a negative thread on TZ-UK about Eddie, which was why you received a ban. . . A bit of shit stirring going on here, this is not true. Perhaps you should do your homework?
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Post by cannop on Jul 28, 2013 10:45:46 GMT -8
This wasn't enough for you though and you started a negative thread on TZ-UK about Eddie, which was why you received a ban. . . A bit of shit stirring going on here, this is not true. Perhaps you should do your homework? I think it's more like you doing the shit stirring jelly belly by posting the above! I posted as I remembered it, I remembered incorrectly on that point, kingrat put me right. OK? Anyway, I've aired my views on the Everest crystal episode, there will be no more from me on that. I still like the look of the Smiths PRS 68 which was the topic of this thread, and I imagine I will buy one at some point.
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Post by seikoholic on Jul 28, 2013 10:51:48 GMT -8
That I now the third in a flurry of 6105 homages.. What I can't understand, is why Seiko hasn't picked up on the opportunity and made a modern version.. I simply do not understand why Seiko hasn't done this. If they made a new correctly-interpreted modern 6105-811x, at the right price point, they'd never be able to make enough of them.
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Post by jellyj on Jul 28, 2013 10:57:01 GMT -8
]Very well Eddie oops I mean cannop, maybe slow down with your hidden (not) agenda as posting incorrect info could make others doubt your word on future posts. God bless you and all who sail in you.
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Post by seikoholic on Jul 28, 2013 11:52:17 GMT -8
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Hobbes
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Post by Hobbes on Jul 28, 2013 12:02:54 GMT -8
Excellent moderation!
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Post by DAHASCO on Jul 28, 2013 12:40:16 GMT -8
Excellent moderation! yes1.gif smileys-drinking-beer We don't need this crap here, Back to watches Please thunbsup.gif
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Post by DeadOnArrival06 on Jul 28, 2013 13:18:20 GMT -8
smileys-drinking-beer We don't need this crap here, Back to watches Please thunbsup.gif ^^^ What he said. yes1.gif
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Post by DAHASCO on Jul 28, 2013 15:15:09 GMT -8
Peace
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