As I mentioned in an earlier post; I plan to have one case example of ever North American 7009 that should be less than 50. Since there doesn't seem to be a great interest in the 7009 movement, from a collector standpoint, I should be able to pick up examples for almost no money, get it, NO$ for a 7009 and "9" for N.A. (NO$9)For those who might not know the 8th digit in the case back, model number, is the region Seiko distributed the watch. "9" is North America. Now I know there are more than 50 but that is if you include Gold tone and Stainless and each dial color or combination. One example will make a "Set".
The plan is to start with the low hanging fruit and amass as many as can be had, regardless of condition, since you never know when the next one with that model case will pop up. Rather than hold out for only Mint or NOS I'll buy one that's broken and missing a bracelet too. Not that I'll avoid a NOS I'll go after them too and then try and peddle the lesser quality...
Now that I have a plan...
I have lots of Seiko's with the 7009 movement and several already that are North American's "9". Part of the plan is to show them in a single thread. I'll do a couple before and after photos with a brief explanation about the watch.
So in no particular order I'll start with this one:
7009-8129 The 7009 as I understand it spanned several decades I'll take a stab that this is a May 1988 model with a silver dial code#825LR. Not Running, cracked crystal, broken stem, missing hour hand, and the second hand floating around. The inside of the lugs are worn from a stretchy band. Once I stripped the movement I noticed that one of the dial feet was reapplied. Which is why the date window looked dirty. I found it odd that the Minute hand was in place but the hour hand was missing??? I came across some sticky oil and a broken pivot on the escape wheel. The oil was so bad I had a pretty tough time removing the Date Drive wheel.
I like the dial color and the painted Arabic numerals aren't nearly as common to Seiko watches. Also the day/date window is "sunken" a little bit.
I've stripped the movement and parts are getting the US in Naphtha as I type. Here are the photos so far, and a link to the album in case there's greater interest in this one.
I like your plan, but there are some that will set you back a fair bit.
Good luck !
Yes I think there are going to be a few that will be more than I normally would like to spend in general. those will take some "saving" to acquire. Funny since I'm betting they will all be bought off eBay how some sellers market the watches they have, or the values they think they are worth. I've asked several if they didn't add an extra 9 to the price? and they meant $39.99 not $399.99...I usually don't get a response and see it relisted again for $399.99...
I’ll be watching this and keeping an eye out for No$9’s for you.
Just checked my log (which is nowhere near up to date) and I have 3x 7009's apparently: 3100; 3130; & 3140. so no NA's for you I'm afraid small or I'd send them over
Odds are I'll only find them here in the states; which means, shipping shouldn't be a deal breaker either. Odd how we have so many other regions here besides the XXX9. Originally I thought I'd clear out all non "9's" but figure I could always use extra movements. Not that I'll be keeping them all. I have two 4001's that have Chinese day wheels that are pretty unique, figure I'll be passing one on soon to help fund the project.
Okay quick update. So this watch originally came in the Lot Lizard Collection. I'm in for north of $30 for the lot so no "great loss" I hope to peddle most of it over time on eBay.
The watch was a non-runner, broken stem? cracked Crystal, etc etc. I serviced the movement, because of the metal intermediate date wheel its an early version; the later versions used plastic. I've had my hands on these from the beginning so it came apart and went together pretty smooth. The hairspring was a bit misshapen so I was able to "fix it".
Installed the Balance and off she went. I found a donor set of hand so the patina matched. I replaced the stem and crystal. Tossed the movement back in the case and placed it on the timer. Not bad. When I went to install the replacement stem from another 7009 it just didn't fit right?? I thought the movement was sitting a bit high in the case. I thought maybe the dial ring was flipped or something and I removed the dial and it was correct. I thought even though the crystal came in a Seiko envelope it might be a knock off and wrong? I replaced it with the old original crystal? Same result. I finally swapped movements from another 7009. Still things weren't lining up right??? Could it be right case back and movement wrong case? Checked it out with another 8129 and it looks right?
Tonight I ended up braking off the dial pin so this watch isn't making the collection now. (Maybe) That said I need to figure this out. I have about 4 hours into casing. With the dial off and recased the movement sits "better" and the stem inserts and withdrawals fine? I took the dials off completely and while the push to advance works just as it should uncased, it will not work cased?? Yes the crown is clean. I have tried several stems from Ramon donors and none work. So with dial off and the movement cased I can see that there seems to be too much space between the day corrector and the setting lever.
Before service w/t broken stem
Case and the stems as far in as it will go? and the setting lever is just barely making contact?
Even though its a loss for the NO$9, it's a pretty clean movement and I'd like it all to work as a donor? Since I already have the goldtone 8129 in 99% shape I've got it cover in the collection although I'd prefer a Stainless cased version for consistency. I mat try and repair the dial foot better but for now I just want functioning. I'll update later after I swap a few more parts...
I would never have thought I'd say this but there's no All or Every when it comes to Seiko. I was typing above faster than I was thinking. I have another Stainless version of the 8129 as well as the gold tone. It would have been nice to have the Arabic numeral dial example.
Mystery solved, (sort of) but you won't find it when looking parts up online at Cousins or Borel's, using the case reference. Or even googling. First Cousin's doesn't seem to have NA references in their database? Searching Borel's using just movement number 7009a it shows two stems for 7009, 7018 and 7019 movements. I always thought there was just one! I bet most did too.
Borel's shows a stem "long Half Thread" 0354020 (similar to Cousin's number for 7009 stems 354.022), yet Borel's also list "Stem Full Thread" 200/1792F, that number and description is shown on ever reference, I have clicked on so far, in the database? the 200...is still available where the 035..is not? So which is the right one? I think I'm ordering one from Borel and one from Cousin's.
The 7009-8129 uses a different length stem, from what I have tried so far. The 7009-XXX9 or North American region stems will work interchangeable with other NA regions it seems. I have several 7009's for other regions (markets) that when I try to use the stems from them in a NA XXX9 cases; they fail to press in far enough for the day to advance as it should. I have tried now four different stems from NON-NA watches and none will work in any of the three 8129 references. Just for kick I tried two others that are NA regions...those stems work in other XXX9's but other non NA stems will not work in them.They were all 8XX9 references. I have a few 5XX9 and 3XX9 that I could try and see if its just the 8's or its North American...But another night.
All this time, I thought 7009's used the same stems..I'd love to see others with the same issue speak up. Searching online before I became familiar around here, I though I had a Stem issue and was told that they all use the same reference, I must have been doing something wrong. It turns out, I was, at the time. Now I might just know better...
Stem for a xxx9 North American region on the right the one on the left from 7009-8028 I think you can tell in the picture but under magnification its obvious....
Well Pete solved the stem mystery which was just me being dumb.
Here is a newly purchased NO$9 although its more then I'd have liked to have spent, its still little money compared other Seikos. The reference is a little seen 8599.
Its incoming just paid too much to "WIN!!" it although the the other bidder was just driving the price. I mean who stops bidding at $48? Someone who know there's another guy going in at $50?
There's an inscription on the back so its not pristine but looks to have an OEM bracelet which is a big plus and worth the premium, to me. Said to be loosing a bit of time so a service will be on the list although its a pretty long list...
I have one of those, but unfortunately mine didn't come with the stock bracelet. I think it was the 3rd or the 4th watch I serviced. They are great movements and I really like the linen type dials.
That dial looks incredible! I've got my fingers crossed mine will have the same. So with the sellers pic I'm gambling. Seems Seiko was pretty prolific with dial and reference combinations. Th 8129 I post about above came in Stainless and gold tone, the silver dial with Arabic numerals, black dials, white, bar markers... Again the plan is to have one of each reference not each combination of each reference...for now.
And the latest. The lighting in the sellers pictures was poor and well its a gold tone version rather than Stainless. Other than wear through on the sides most by the 9, some at 3. The tops of the lugs are fantastic. Still has a nice brushed finish. I just need to find a stainless example...Also fell in at the $25 mark so a bargain to boot; not quite no money, but close...
7009-8219 from either 1980 or 1990... I'm leaning to '90 as the base under the finish is stainless not brass for the "Base Metal Top"
Well guys I was able to add to the NO$9 today. Seller had originally sent the wrong watch. which was pretty nice but not my thing. Took her getting it back before she could send the correct one. Anyway its now in my hand.
I have to say that it's more likely than not, the most historically significant Seiko in the collection. I had posted before in another thread about this and now its here. A 7009 made for the North American Market with a case back showing a build date of June 1975. Like Pete said this pushes the current back a bit father than anyone has suggested. Looking back at the watch site a guy name Isthmus posted catalogs in pdf form. One of them 1975 Supplement No.2 was in English (North American Market??) I had a look and I see several of what I believe to be 7009's listed. The catalog has reference numbers that we have become accustom to not movement and case number. While I'm sad to say I don't think this is in there. I did find examples of other 7009 references, which would help to confirm 7009's in 1975...5009, 8069, and 8079 are just three I'm 99% certain of.
The overall watch is pretty cool. The dial radiates and around the bezel is the outward brush marks. The sides are also brushed in a single direction (forgot to photo) It needs a deep cleaning but I'll leave that for another day. A quick polish on the crystal to show off the dial. And here it is. 7009-8019 the 4368th in June of 1975 (They must have been really turning these out back then)