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Post by small on Feb 12, 2018 19:39:50 GMT -8
You don't think this is pretty convincing? I'd find it hard to believe it was a replacement gift from 1976 done on a 1985 watch? Could they have made this one for 10 years making yours an '85? I'd say we have the same watch. Dial codes match. Does yours have an original bracelet? Is it marked? In another thread I posted a shot of a 8129 from December 1977. This is just a couple years before... I have read that post in your link. I have never had a 7019 to compare to a 7009 but I assume its nothing more than an upjeweled 7009. If the 7019 was introduced (based on that link) in 1974 why couldn't the ''09 be made closer to that date than 1980? Again after finding the 1975 catalog and those images matching other 7009 references I'm very certain the '09 was made earlier then most have said.
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Post by Mr.Jones on Feb 13, 2018 3:02:04 GMT -8
I've checked the Seiko Oceania Database and you're right - these are definitely 7009s! One example: It's listed as CW018 in the catalog, but the band ref# checks out. Other ref#s match, too.
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Post by mikeyt on Feb 13, 2018 6:13:11 GMT -8
You don't think this is pretty convincing? I'd find it hard to believe it was a replacement gift from 1976 done on a 1985 watch? Could they have made this one for 10 years making yours an '85? I'd say we have the same watch. Dial codes match. Does yours have an original bracelet? Is it marked? In another thread I posted a shot of a 8129 from December 1977. This is just a couple years before... I have read that post in your link. I have never had a 7019 to compare to a 7009 but I assume its nothing more than an upjeweled 7009. If the 7019 was introduced (based on that link) in 1974 why couldn't the ''09 be made closer to that date than 1980? Again after finding the 1975 catalog and those images matching other 7009 references I'm very certain the '09 was made earlier then most have said. I do have the bracelet. I took it off right after receiving the watch, because it is badly worn. A quick look didn't locate it, so I'll have to do an in-depth look later. If the crown is visible, it is easy to differentiate between the 7009 and earlier movements. 7009s have the crown at 3:18 like the 7s26 rather than at 4:00. You have convinced me that mine is from 1975. I wonder about the info in that link now. Here's a shot of that watch. It is what I'm wearing today. Edit: I see yours also does not have a bezel. I had always thought mine was defective.
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Post by Mr.Jones on Feb 13, 2018 6:21:58 GMT -8
BTW: Here is the 61xx-70xx article saved with pictures as PDF: filehorst.de/d/cwBnhkqJI hope it's not too much ad-crap on the site. With adblock I didn't see any
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Post by mikeyt on Feb 13, 2018 6:28:50 GMT -8
Thanks, Jonas. That'll save a bunch of searching in the future. 7dfe79adc2f0
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Post by small on Feb 13, 2018 6:49:09 GMT -8
I've checked the Seiko Oceania Database and you're right - these are definitely 7009s! One example: It's listed as CW018 in the catalog, but the band ref# checks out. Other ref#s match, too. I have this reference, actually two, both are 8088's, trying to score a 8089 as yet been unsuccessful...Do you have a link to the website where you grabbed that info? I had a link to what I thought was Seiko Oceania but the link is broken??? Looking at the date under the photo; it says the band is B247Y but the photo calls out 824Y so I'm still a little confused on how to determine which bracelet is correct from one reference to the next. I asked that in its own thread without anything definitive...
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Post by small on Feb 13, 2018 6:52:32 GMT -8
You don't think this is pretty convincing? I'd find it hard to believe it was a replacement gift from 1976 done on a 1985 watch? Could they have made this one for 10 years making yours an '85? I'd say we have the same watch. Dial codes match. Does yours have an original bracelet? Is it marked? In another thread I posted a shot of a 8129 from December 1977. This is just a couple years before... I have read that post in your link. I have never had a 7019 to compare to a 7009 but I assume its nothing more than an upjeweled 7009. If the 7019 was introduced (based on that link) in 1974 why couldn't the ''09 be made closer to that date than 1980? Again after finding the 1975 catalog and those images matching other 7009 references I'm very certain the '09 was made earlier then most have said. Edit: I see yours also does not have a bezel. I had always thought mine was defective. Nope not defective. I'm sure they were meant to have the table/flat of the case brushed like that...Its pretty small so it doesn't stand out much. Also the case sides have the same finish as the top. Again I'm amazed at what Seiko has done over the years to the dials, this are really incredible. I can't say I have seen as much thought given to dials from other brands...or not as often if they did.
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Post by Mr.Jones on Feb 13, 2018 13:09:45 GMT -8
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Post by small on Mar 26, 2018 15:33:40 GMT -8
Since taking possession of the Spitfire I haven't been round much...Haven't been "doing watches" at all really. Waiting for car parts so I found some time the other night. This could have gone in; Restorations, What's coming in the mail and WRUW, yet since its a NO$9 also I'll just add it here. Its a dup so may just go in as a work watch...I have several of this reference now; 8219 another with a 896L T dial. I also have several 821A's which as far as I can tell is the same watch. Yet different dial codes. The oversized Bezel Ring, hefty lugs and their downward curve make it one of my favorite Seiko's. Mighty be my most favorite of the 7009's. I was high bidder for days and of course someone jumped in, in the last 6 seconds, raising the price another $15... It was still lunch money but it could have been vending machine money... Crystal was replaced and the rust and DNA Scrubbed. I tossed in on the TG before I uncased to see if it was needing service. The TG showed two super clean lines BE was pretty far apart but I figured I might be able to nudge the regulator and get it closer. Figured I'd gotten lucky... While I was working on the DNA I noticed the movement had stopped? I puff or two from the blower and it came back to life and then quit....Okay a service is in order... Crystal and case turned out well. As did the overhaul. I was doubting I skilled enough get anything in the 200° range and this was at one point banging 230° settling in at around 210°. It's running well in all positions, of course DD/DU are highest Amp° though it doesn't fall off much in the others. When I'd popped the dial to service it, I noticed the dial ring was broken. Rather than glue it I had a spare metal one...Of course I installed that one upside-down and needed to pop the hands and dial back off so I could case it...The most never racking part as I'm always afraid of damaging the dial...Which in the case was pristine. Before After
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Post by pip on Mar 27, 2018 1:33:10 GMT -8
That dial looks good. How many more do you need to complete your collection to your estimated total?
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Post by small on Mar 27, 2018 4:22:43 GMT -8
That dial looks good. How many more do you need to complete your collection to your estimated total? I've only got 15 of the 41...Although I have 5-6 duplicates that have either different dials or I was able to find it in better condition or case material...Trying to make it a stainless only collection. That said if gold is what is there at the moment...and its cheap enough I have lost several auctions lately by trying to keep this as No money or at least lunch money. I'm not sure why some have brought as much as they have. Or why people are asking what they are. Guys have BIN listing 4-5x's higher then they regually sell for, of the more common variety??? At one point I started to think someone else has gotten the idea to try and do the same thing...but that's just silly. Of course being distracted by the Spit has had me miss out on a few others. I imagine when I start to get near the end I'll start asking around the BST section...Odds are then I'll have to maybe modify the name from no money to something else.
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Post by small on May 30, 2018 14:03:45 GMT -8
Well I just crossed over the half-way mark; #21 is showing as shipped. I do like this case shape and have several others that are XXX8 reference. There are a few very similar 6309 powered using the same case. Anyway I finally grabbed a "9". The other differences between those ending in "8" that I have seen vs. "9" is the 9's all seem to have a "linen" looking dial white a fading color to the center either blue like this example or Brown. brown might be a bit less common but doesn't demand the price of the blue. Those ending in "8" have all had Arabic numerals and bright white dials. Most of those dials fade to a cool brown...I have lost two of these until I grabbed this one. Which was less then I'd bid on others...Huge bonus is an original bracelet!!!!While not lunch money I'm not broke either...
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Post by pip on May 30, 2018 14:11:17 GMT -8
Awesome. I was wondering how you were getting on with your collection a few days ago so I’m very glad for the update.
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Post by small on May 31, 2018 3:28:30 GMT -8
Awesome. I was wondering how you were getting on with your collection a few days ago so I’m very glad for the update. Thanks for thinking of me I had a major event happen last month that has really thrown the most of my normal out the window. That said I'm still searching daily for those missing references...I have had zero time to do any servicing at all hoping that changes soon...
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Post by small on Aug 20, 2018 14:28:43 GMT -8
While I have been a bit preoccupied for the last several months. I still will get a chance to look for more to add to this collection. Of the 40 odd North American models I have put a serious dent into that number. When I had the time I would scroll the newly listed auctions on eBay and could add at least a few to the watch list on a regular basis. Seeing some of the same references over and over. Even tossing a bid or two in. Heck I haven't been able to score a Seiko for lunch money in 4-5 months.
Anyone else notice the lower dollar watches have kind of dried up? Is this a summer time thing, and people will be unloading come fall and winter? Not that I need to but I don't think I've bought but a couple of watches in months, one wasn't even a branded Seiko just powered by. I generally limit my search to newly listed under $30, though I'll pony up more if it's warranted...I'm returning zero results...
I went to a flea market Sunday and everyone was in love with what they brought and no one wanted to let go...
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Post by seikoshepherd on Aug 20, 2018 14:52:07 GMT -8
Neat concept. I'll enjoy seeing how this unfolds. x2
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Post by small on Aug 27, 2018 14:14:47 GMT -8
More frustration. While I decided to broaden my search for the NA's to include higher starting amounts, I came across only two more? One was of a reference that I have three examples of. Two with white dials and one with a blue. One has an original bracelet. So the seller does have a make an offer. While I don't need another example, bracelets are tough to come by. The price for the auction is way high at $50 +$7 s&h I paid $36/$30/$25 for the ones I have (or close to it). All of them were complete and runners. This is a crystal-less damaged company logo'd dial missing seconds and minute hand non runner. I offer $10 b/c at $7 shipping I don't see it worth much more to me. Offer's declined, without counter. Okay I raise it up a bit and say in the message I just want the bracelet keep the watch, $7 seems high for shipping if its just the bracelet sent in a padded mailer? Declined again. No counter not even an F-U. While I can see that an auctions not a forum and no one is really giving things away (Although I've had it happen) with a seller that has 3000+ listings you would think they would have looked to see what the "market value" would be to have an idea I'm not trying to steal it?
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Post by small on Jan 9, 2019 7:42:05 GMT -8
Wow August was the last post, the search is always going on. I came across this in eBay today, not sure if I'll buy just to have, since I have this reference, and I'm not too keen on gold; but it reinforces the 1975 beginning date for the 7009's. Another with some provenance to help establish a decade sooner than we thought. I could see how this might have been in a jewelers inventory for a while before purchase made 12/75 shipped/received in '76 and sat on display for a couple of years??
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Post by small on Jan 27, 2019 19:28:41 GMT -8
Wow its been close to 8 months since I have added any new reference to the collection. This weekend I scored two. May have to change the name since these ended up cost much more than the others so far. I don't have the tally in front of me but I know I'm past the halfway mark of what I think are out there... 7009-8009, These have come up from time to time, and have gone for less than $30 to nearly $100, I wasn't going to be around when it ended and saw I'd been out bid I figured why not and went crazy, glad the other guy didn't follow suit...I had let a few go thinking they were Patels but I'm more certain now that they aren't but I'd love to find them in a catalog??? This 7009-8109 has been relisted a dozen times. Seller wanted way too much and I kept waiting for it to drop, and finally he started listing with a "best offer" I started low since its missing the crystal and he came back pretty high I countered and he declined without a second, IIRC. This time he was 1/2 where he'd started and this time I tossed a bit higher offer and he took it. Love the fact it comes with what looks like the OEM Bracelet, that's worth the premium...If I could have gotten a bracelet with the 8009. Now if new references weren't to show up so close together and let my bank account breath a little... might have to speed up my firesale...to fund the next...
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Post by small on Jan 29, 2019 19:16:07 GMT -8
Just wow, after a drought of many months, then grabbing a couple new references, there are now several more up that I have not even seen before...And with reasonable opening bids.... I guess when it rains it pours! Pay days around the corner!! Now I just need some luck to slip away with these undetected?
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