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Post by mattk84 on Aug 23, 2019 11:04:04 GMT -8
No the dial I saw on ebay with the case was also a 68 but listed as a 74 and somebody robbed the movement from it, same case reference tho
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Post by mattk84 on Aug 23, 2019 11:05:12 GMT -8
That's amazing how you found all those tho, thank you.. my watch was feeling lonely and I'm glad the hands might me original
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Post by huangcjz on Aug 23, 2019 11:22:39 GMT -8
No the dial I saw on ebay with the case was also a 68 but listed as a 74 and somebody robbed the movement from it, same case reference tho Could you try posting the photos of this one now, since you should have enough posts to post photos now, and since I haven't managed to find it myself? It'd be interesting to see its serial number, and to know where it was sold from, too. A case number ending in "9" like your "8009" tends to indicate the U.S. market, as opposed to the "0" ending of the standard "8000" model indicating the Japanese Domestic Market. That's amazing how you found all those tho, thank you.. my watch was feeling lonely and I'm glad the hands might me original You're welcome!
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Post by mattk84 on Aug 23, 2019 11:56:26 GMT -8
Wont let me, keeps saying file is to big, even when I try an resize it. All I have it my phone
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Post by mattk84 on Aug 23, 2019 12:02:50 GMT -8
Oh and the person I got mine from was in Connecticut couple towns away from me.. I'm almost positive we either got it in a local auction or from an estate sale.
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Post by huangcjz on Aug 23, 2019 13:18:32 GMT -8
Wont let me, keeps saying file is to big, even when I try an resize it. All I have it my phone Could you try taking a screen-shot of the photo on your phone, and posting the screen-shot instead of the actual photo itself? The screen-shot might be more compressed/lower-resolution and hence have a smaller file size than the actual photo itself. Alternatively, can you copy-and-paste the URL of the photos of the eBay parts one you mention, to see what it looks like and its serial number?
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Post by mattk84 on Aug 23, 2019 14:42:29 GMT -8
That worked I thing, here's my watch and with the back off Attachments:
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Post by mattk84 on Aug 23, 2019 14:54:39 GMT -8
I cant find the other one anymore
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Post by HiBeat on Aug 23, 2019 19:26:36 GMT -8
mattk84 I have learned quite a bit from this thread and huangcjz's research. I stand corrected. I have never seen the 36M dial text and regularly stop to look at 5740-8000/8009 auctions on eBay and Yahoo Japan. So this was very eye opening. So your hand set and dial text go together as a proper combination. Very interesting.
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Post by mattk84 on Aug 23, 2019 21:41:58 GMT -8
So would it be safe to this is a 1 year only dial and hand set? I wish I never scratched the back of my case trying to open it. It was mint before that, not that it's a super big deal
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Post by huangcjz on Aug 24, 2019 3:17:49 GMT -8
I cant find the other one anymore Can you remember what country it was sold from? I really want to try and pin down whether it was a U.S. market watch rather than a Japanese market watch. The 2 other ones with the same dial as yours that we know the date of were both March 1968, as was the other -8009, so they may have only been made in that one month of that year. I think this might have been the beginning of the horse-shoe case-backs.
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Post by mattk84 on Aug 24, 2019 7:12:03 GMT -8
That makes sense. I know it was being sold from the US. I'll look more today to see if I cant find the old listing
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Post by mattk84 on Aug 24, 2019 7:33:48 GMT -8
Here is the search pic in Google, but takes me to a ks listing on Ebay instead Attachments:
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Post by mattk84 on Aug 24, 2019 7:53:01 GMT -8
I'm really glad I raised the question about this watch because it probably would have went unknown and considered a redial by most and it's certainly not shown or mentioned in any write ups about the lord marvel and the beginning of the 5740C. But I'm still wondering why the dial variation, what was the point of not having the name on the dial. Makes me wonder if seiko wanted to maybe change the name of the watch with the change of the case back. Or was it a dealer sample watch? Possibly for private labels? Makes me wonder
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Post by mattk84 on Aug 24, 2019 8:09:53 GMT -8
I cant find the other one anymore Can you remember what country it was sold from? I really want to try and pin down whether it was a U.S. market watch rather than a Japanese market watch. The 2 other ones with the same dial as yours that we know the date of were both March 1968, as was the other -8009, so they may have only been made in that one month of that year. I think this might have been the beginning of the horse-shoe case-backs. well, any help you need, let me know and I'll do what I can because I think it's a pretty significant part of the board marvel, another think iv noticed on my watch compared to others is the 3 adjustments
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Post by mattk84 on Aug 24, 2019 8:42:47 GMT -8
I just emailed seiko about it, seeif I get anywhere
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Post by huangcjz on Aug 24, 2019 11:03:14 GMT -8
I'm really glad I raised the question about this watch because it probably would have went unknown and considered a redial by most and it's certainly not shown or mentioned in any write ups about the lord marvel and the beginning of the 5740C. But I'm still wondering why the dial variation, what was the point of not having the name on the dial. Makes me wonder if seiko wanted to maybe change the name of the watch with the change of the case back. Or was it a dealer sample watch? Possibly for private labels? Makes me wonder Seiko often used different model names for different markets - outside of Japan, Seikomatics and some later Sportsmatics were just marked with āAutomaticā, and outside of Japan and Italy, Lord Matics were just marked with āAutomaticā, so Seiko has dropped the āLordā part of the name before. I think it's a pretty significant part of the board marvel, another think iv noticed on my watch compared to others is the 3 adjustments That has been seen before - wristsushi.proboards.com/thread/15648/mysterious-case-diani-powered-marvelWhen Daini made movements (including Suwa-designed movements), they marked the number of adjustments or āunadjustedā on them, whereas when Suwa made movements, they didnāt bother to mark it, except for their later Grand Seikos. Daini-made Suwa-designed movements should have been made to the same standards as Suwa-made Suwa-designed movements though, from which we can infer that all 5740Cs are adjusted in 3 positions. I don't think that these are that uncommon, given that there have been 3 examples which have ended on eBay in just the last 3 weeks.
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Post by mattk84 on Aug 24, 2019 11:07:31 GMT -8
Your a wealth of information. Thank you
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Post by mattk84 on Aug 24, 2019 11:53:15 GMT -8
So unfortunately part of my watch madness is I find it hard to stop looking for watches, even what I dont have the money. Then tease myself when I find a good deal on watch I really like.. if got an offer out on a pricey watch that may result in me having to get rid of this one to keep the balance with the wife happy.. this might be forsale if the deal goes through
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Post by mattk84 on Aug 25, 2019 19:44:05 GMT -8
Forget it I cant sell it..
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