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Post by leffemonster on May 20, 2020 11:23:16 GMT -8
I’m sure I’ve asked this question before, but I’ll ask it again... While sites like Borel and Boley are great for finding part numbers, they’re very limited in some regards. We have a wealth of information in the form of casing guides available across some of the members on this forum, and on the occasions I’ve asked for assistance it’s always been willingly provided. But it’s still a frustration to me that we don’t have a library of these hosted on the site (in the benefactors forum perhaps?) I’m fully aware that these things are hard to come by, and can be bloody expensive. I’m also aware that it would be a bitch of a job to scan the detail, especially without risking any damage to the source book. We had the 1966 guide made available by Adrian-VTA a while ago, which has been immensely useful to me personally. So, I’ll ask the question - has anyone considered scanning their precious resources and making them available in the Benefactors forum? I, for one, would gladly donate more funds to make this happen and I’m sure I’m not alone. |
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Post by leffemonster on May 21, 2020 2:32:58 GMT -8
I guess not...  Am I really a minority of one with this?  |
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Post by jringo8769 on May 21, 2020 6:46:41 GMT -8
Well my dear friend
You are not in the Minority at all
This is something we all should want
If i had these books I would gladly share them with you
This knowledge is invaluable
I am sure someone else will chime in to help you my friend
God Bless,John
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Post by leffemonster on May 22, 2020 8:56:22 GMT -8
That’s kind of my point John - I’ve always had help when I’ve asked for it, and agree they’re an invaluable resource for everyone. That’s why I think it would be so useful if they were readily available, at least in the benefactors forum.
I guess I’m just a little perplexed that others don’t seem to agree - if I’m the only one interested then I suppose it’s always going to be a non-starter. Hey ho, I shall just continue to seek assistance as and when.
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Post by bklake on May 22, 2020 10:02:12 GMT -8
I've never seen a copyright on any of the scans available. There should be no legal barrier to this. I can understand if you paid a large sum of money to obtain a copy you may not want to share it. It always rubs me the wrong way when someone asks for a copy of a manual I purchased. But, that is for a manual that is in print and can be bought. These are long out of print and cannot be obtained via a retail channel. Did Seiko charge for these or did they provide them to Service Centers for free?
My public library has repair manuals for various things and I can freely copy pages for my own use. They have strict copyright rules and are OK with personal use.
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Post by gerald on May 22, 2020 10:16:04 GMT -8
I've never seen a copyright on any of the scans available. There should be no legal barrier to this. I can understand if you paid a large sum of money to obtain a copy you may not want to share it. It always rubs me the wrong way when someone asks for a copy of a manual I purchased. But, that is for a manual that is in print and can be bought. These are long out of print and cannot be obtained via a retail channel. Did Seiko charge for these or did they provide them to Service Centers for free?
My public library has repair manuals for various things and I can freely copy pages for my own use. They have strict copyright rules and are OK with personal use.
I don't think this has anything to do with copyright issues, nor the cost of acquiring the actual publications. The challenge here is the effort required to scan, edit, and host. I have several of the casing guides, but just as one example, 1977's is close to 200 pages long. Have you ever sat down to scan something of that scale and make it available online? It's no small task. Compared to other publications, they are not that expensive, and come up relatively frequently - there's an auction for 1973's that's been sat at a starting price of 6000 Yen for several weeks now that you could purchase tomorrow and scan yourself if you have the inclination. |
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Post by HiBeat on May 22, 2020 18:52:04 GMT -8
I've never seen a copyright on any of the scans available. There should be no legal barrier to this. I can understand if you paid a large sum of money to obtain a copy you may not want to share it. It always rubs me the wrong way when someone asks for a copy of a manual I purchased. But, that is for a manual that is in print and can be bought. These are long out of print and cannot be obtained via a retail channel. Did Seiko charge for these or did they provide them to Service Centers for free?
My public library has repair manuals for various things and I can freely copy pages for my own use. They have strict copyright rules and are OK with personal use.
I don't think this has anything to do with copyright issues, nor the cost of acquiring the actual publications. The challenge here is the effort required to scan, edit, and host. I have several of the casing guides, but just as one example, 1977's is close to 200 pages long. Have you ever sat down to scan something of that scale and make it available online? It's no small task. Compared to other publications, they are not that expensive, and come up relatively frequently - there's an auction for 1973's that's been sat at a starting price of 6000 Yen for several weeks now that you could purchase tomorrow and scan yourself if you have the inclination. Exactly. I have several and never paid over $20 for any of them. Each casing guide has the year of publication and is supposed to show every reference sold in the last 5 years. So a 1976 guide won't include any models that ended in 1971 for example. So you need to space your gaps with that in mind. I have USA guides. They do not show JDM only models. You'd need a Japanese language guide for those. |
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Post by HiBeat on May 22, 2020 18:54:26 GMT -8
I’m sure I’ve asked this question before, but I’ll ask it again... While sites like Borel and Boley are great for finding part numbers, they’re very limited in some regards. We have a wealth of information in the form of casing guides available across some of the members on this forum, and on the occasions I’ve asked for assistance it’s always been willingly provided. But it’s still a frustration to me that we don’t have a library of these hosted on the site (in the benefactors forum perhaps?) I’m fully aware that these things are hard to come by, and can be bloody expensive. I’m also aware that it would be a bitch of a job to scan the detail, especially without risking any damage to the source book. We had the 1966 guide made available by Adrian-VTA a while ago, which has been immensely useful to me personally. So, I’ll ask the question - has anyone considered scanning their precious resources and making them available in the Benefactors forum? I, for one, would gladly donate more funds to make this happen and I’m sure I’m not alone. Nick I can make mine available for a professional to do it but I would never try to do it. You need special equipment and a huge ass computer to hold 200+ pages in memory while you wait out the last page. Plus the books are big and the listings are 2 pages wide.
Dan from IMeasure did the last one on his web site and kindly shared it out to the world. Really nice of him.
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Post by seiko2019 on May 22, 2020 20:46:22 GMT -8
I’m sure I’ve asked this question before, but I’ll ask it again... While sites like Borel and Boley are great for finding part numbers, they’re very limited in some regards. We have a wealth of information in the form of casing guides available across some of the members on this forum, and on the occasions I’ve asked for assistance it’s always been willingly provided. But it’s still a frustration to me that we don’t have a library of these hosted on the site (in the benefactors forum perhaps?) I’m fully aware that these things are hard to come by, and can be bloody expensive. I’m also aware that it would be a bitch of a job to scan the detail, especially without risking any damage to the source book. We had the 1966 guide made available by Adrian-VTA a while ago, which has been immensely useful to me personally. So, I’ll ask the question - has anyone considered scanning their precious resources and making them available in the Benefactors forum? I, for one, would gladly donate more funds to make this happen and I’m sure I’m not alone. Nick I can make mine available for a professional to do it but I would never try to do it. You need special equipment and a huge ass computer to hold 200+ pages in memory while you wait out the last page. Plus the books are big and the listings are 2 pages wide.
Dan from IMeasure did the last one on his web site and kindly shared it out to the world. Really nice of him.
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Post by tritto on May 23, 2020 0:33:21 GMT -8
I also have a casing guide from 1974 and a parts interchange from a couple of years earlier. I'd be very happy to share them if I could be bothered to scan and edit them - which would be a massive job.
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Post by huangcjz on May 23, 2020 0:36:29 GMT -8
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Post by Rod on May 23, 2020 4:57:55 GMT -8
I'd be happy to make all of mine available to scan....They are very heavy and would cost a nice 7002 to post world wide!
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Post by tritto on May 23, 2020 16:38:33 GMT -8
Here’s an idea. Perhaps if people are happy to, we could make up a list of the different guides people have and if someone needs something that isn’t in the public domain then they could ask he owner of the guide to dig it out and provide the information.
Yes, that could be onerous, but if we put the list in the benefactor section then that would reduce frivolous requests, because I assume most benefactors have the knowledge to find public domain information themselves.
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Post by pip on May 24, 2020 0:03:54 GMT -8
Here’s an idea. Perhaps if people are happy to, we could make up a list of the different guides people have and if someone needs something that isn’t in the public domain then they could ask he owner of the guide to dig it out and provide the information. Yes, that could be onerous, but if we put the list in the benefactor section then that would reduce frivolous requests, because I assume most benefactors have the knowledge to find public domain information themselves. That’s a good idea tritto. |
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Post by pip on May 24, 2020 0:36:18 GMT -8
We have a wealth of information in the form of casing guides available across some of the members on this forum, and on the occasions I’ve asked for assistance it’s always been willingly provided. We could make up a list of the different guides people have and if someone needs something that isn’t in the public domain then they could ask he owner of the guide to dig it out and provide the information. Nick, if you build it they will come! Maybe you should start the thread in the benefactors forum mate? I have a few and happy to chip in. |
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Post by imeasure on May 24, 2020 1:27:29 GMT -8
My ears were burning! I did the scan using my mobile phone and the Adobe Acrobat App. You can scan and collate pages with this. It's brilliant. After scanning in the last guide, I then tried to do a much larger seiko guide that had heaps of pages, you know one of the big books. The app capped itself and I lost everything, twice! This was 6 months ago and I would assume this problem is fixed. You have to be a bit creative to hold the page flat that is being photographed on the large books, it normally involves playing around with how you hold the other part of the book so the page you want to snap sits flat-ish on the table. I will keep dropping into this thread from time to time to see if you get anywhere. Cheers Dan Also you can find me on instagram @myvintagetimer |
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Post by Rod on May 24, 2020 5:42:56 GMT -8
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Post by bklake on May 25, 2020 5:12:49 GMT -8
My apologies, I was thinking about the 2-3 page technical guides and parts sheets when I posted before. I did not realize the casing guides were 100s of pages. I certainly don't have the attention span to do that.
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Post by leffemonster on May 25, 2020 6:10:21 GMT -8
My apologies, I was thinking about the 2-3 page technical guides and parts sheets when I posted before. I did not realize the casing guides were 100s of pages. I certainly don't have the attention span to do that. Yep, they’re big old books, and that’s probably why this will remain a non-starter as it’s a big task. There’s been a number of threads over the time I’ve been on here about getting them scanned in. |
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