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Post by Slant on Jun 28, 2020 5:55:45 GMT -8
Found this gem this morning in the local classifieds: $3000 CAD is equivalent to about $2200 USD based on today's exchange rate. Now would you buy one of that, or two of these for the same price?
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Post by HiBeat on Jun 28, 2020 6:53:51 GMT -8
You might never be afforded a chance to buy a 6105-811X diver from its original owner ever again. That's a special thing in my book.
The original is in excellent shape and has been serviced recently so that's about a $200 USD advantage on the pricing. We can argue all day long but I think $2200 USD is at the high end of what people are actually selling at even at today's popularity. Others will say "oh no that's a fair price" based on asking prices or they can find a few deals consummated at that level but frankly I just think it's the top of the market price wise for a top of the market offering.
The new ones will always be easy to get and if you don't mind buying pre-owned will be less than the current list in a short enough while.
Go for the Original !
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Post by suntzu on Jun 28, 2020 9:38:30 GMT -8
I think the Willard is on the high side even given the condition. Mine purchased in 2020 was $1,200 and in the same condition. That owner provenance does not add any value unless he had the box, manual, maybe original receipt and definitely original strap. I would not pay extra for something that was serviced. I've had "serviced" watches, taken it straight to my watchmaker and a handful of times said whomever worked on it was a knucklehead; dry, dust, wrong part, missing screw, finger print, etc...
With that said, it's a beautiful example. Maybe you can talk to him, negotiate a little. Maybe even barter for some of it to lower the out of pocket. You never know what he's into, collects, needs, etc... You may have it or the skill set.
Personally, I just couldn't get myself to pay that much for a standard type example of a Willard unless it was a Proof/Proof with the original band or something.
I'm on the fence about the modern re-issue. It's not bad, but I'm not clamoring to get it. If it were me and I was really digging the re-issue, for the $2,200, I'd buy one and find a different Willard for the balance. This way you have two.
If you're not into the re-issue, I would walk away from the Willard and live to fight another day.
I don't believe in overpaying. If it was $1,600 and your budget was $1,300 and he wouldn't budge, I would heavily consider buying it. It's not too much out of the ballpark. If you feel you have to have that Willard and it's $2,200, I would consider selling off some watches or watch that I don't wear to offset the cost.
Whatever you choose, good luck!!
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Post by rainier on Jun 28, 2020 10:35:07 GMT -8
I think the answer to your question is how bad you want an original 6105, and how you're planning to wear it/use it?
If you want to actually wear it as it was designed and not worry about it getting wet, then get the reissue. Personally speaking, if I'm going to buy a vintage watch for +$1200 US, I'm not going to risk water intrusion, and that would limit how I wear/use it.
I like the reissue, and am looking forward to seeing it in-person before I make the decision to buy. The thing I like about the reissue vs. finding a 6105 is that even for the +$1,000 US retail price, with the reissue I don't have to worry about it having lume rot, AM parts, needing service, replacing crystals or gaskets, it looks close to the original, and it has a warranty.
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Post by condor97 on Jun 28, 2020 11:19:08 GMT -8
I think it depends if you are a collector or a practical user. I'm both, so for me I would get one of each.
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Post by SeikoPsycho on Jun 28, 2020 15:04:50 GMT -8
You might never be afforded a chance to buy a 6105-811X diver from its original owner ever again. That's a special thing in my book. I was very fortunate to have been able to pick this up from the original owner about 10 years ago. He bought it while in the Navy stationed in Guam.
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Post by catkicker on Jun 28, 2020 15:12:26 GMT -8
I would have been OK with a deal on a 2nd hand reissue, but they ruined it with that gaudy X on the dial.
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Post by russtmurray on Jun 28, 2020 15:57:37 GMT -8
Good points expressed all around thus far. Were I to go with a vintage piece, i would ask for receipts of work done before I paid any kind of a premium over typical asking prices. In my opinion, the owner is asking too much but then again that's their prerogative. Buy the seller remains a credo for me when considering vintage pieces. Lots of options out there but one thing is for sure, I don't baby my watches so as long as it's reliable and accurate, I'm good.
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Post by jringo8769 on Jun 28, 2020 22:38:23 GMT -8
Well as many have said here already The original to me is the way to go if you are one who wants a original Personally i love the original watches But you pay a premium and they are getting harder to find With that being said 2200 USD is a lot of money It will all have to depend on what u think For me personally it is way out of my comfort zone I have personally owned over 150 watches so far and never have I spent that kind of money and had five 6105 8110/8119's so far ...and would buy another one in a second for a good price The watch looks very nice but seems priced very high in my opinion God Bless and stay safe out there John
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Post by Fergus on Jun 28, 2020 23:09:32 GMT -8
The true and precise history of any watch is unknown unless YOU bought it new. What others state about THEIR watch MUST be taken lightly even more so when they are selling it. I am not doubting the history of this OP watch but I would have to see all the movement parts to assess whether it had only run for 3 years. We all know there are tell tale features to look out for with vintage Seiko's.
The 6105-8000 I purchased last year was described as having been serviced by the high street dealer's 'watchmaker'. Online pictures showed DNA around the bezel which I questioned. They informed me the pictures were of the watch when it first arrived with them. Within a few hours the pics were replaced with 'post' service pics...the DNA had gone. Upon receipt I had cause to remove the bezel and glass for polishing only to find yet more DNA thereunder. So it had not had a full service. Well what I, a non trained amateur, would call a full service. The watch runs fine and the movement looks clean BUT we will never know if it was disassembled. I may do it myself in the future to be 100% certain.
As for comparing one vintage for two repros....personally I don't see the point.
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Post by cobrajet25 on Jun 28, 2020 23:23:47 GMT -8
It is a honey of a watch, but $2200 is 62MAS money. If it were $1500, that would be a different story. JMHO.
I have bought 6105s from their original owners...one was even a high school graduation present...and they were nowhere NEAR that proud of them!
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Post by ivan on Jun 29, 2020 6:43:06 GMT -8
If I may suggest a third option worth checking out, upcoming reissue and overall poor sales have motivated my AD to significantly lower the price of SLA033 to somewhere around Marinemaster price.
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Post by russtmurray on Jun 29, 2020 7:01:19 GMT -8
If I may suggest a third option worth checking out, upcoming reissue and overall poor sales have motivated my AD to significantly lower the price of SLA033 to somewhere around Marinemaster price. Now that is quite the development although admittedly I've lost sight of what Marine Masters go for these days. Would that mean a reduction of the $500 to $800 range or am I being overly optimistic?
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Post by Fergus on Jun 29, 2020 7:10:45 GMT -8
If I may suggest a third option worth checking out, upcoming reissue and overall poor sales have motivated my AD to significantly lower the price of SLA033 to somewhere around Marinemaster price. Now that is quite the development although admittedly I've lost sight of what Marine Masters go for these days. Would that mean a reduction of the $500 to $800 range or am I being overly optimistic? The AD I purchased my SLA017 from here in the UK has had an SLA033 (same one cos they state its number) in stock since they were released and its still at £3850.
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Post by russtmurray on Jun 29, 2020 7:30:57 GMT -8
Now that is quite the development although admittedly I've lost sight of what Marine Masters go for these days. Would that mean a reduction of the $500 to $800 range or am I being overly optimistic? The AD I purchased my SLA017 from here in the UK has had an SLA033 (same one cos they state its number) in stock since they were released and its still at £3850. Well that's still a little rich for me but I will not argue that price since I understand it has some GS internals. It's the bee's knees !
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Post by HiBeat on Jun 29, 2020 9:12:31 GMT -8
Now that is quite the development although admittedly I've lost sight of what Marine Masters go for these days. Would that mean a reduction of the $500 to $800 range or am I being overly optimistic? The AD I purchased my SLA017 from here in the UK has had an SLA033 (same one cos they state its number) in stock since they were released and its still at £3850. Yes both the SLA025 and later the SLA033 have been slower to move out of AD stock than you would have expected. The NYC Boutique still has them both never sold, not sure of how many.
The SLA017 sold out immediately, perhaps because it was the first of these new re-issues. I got a 20% discount off MSRP on pre-order on my SLA017.
Neither the SLA025 nor the SLA033 has proven profitable to those who bought on speculation. In particular the 033 is about $1000 USD under list pretty much everywhere. I have the watch and paid the full boat when it came out and yes I lost my shirt but such is life.
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Post by Fergus on Jun 29, 2020 9:21:26 GMT -8
The AD I purchased my SLA017 from here in the UK has had an SLA033 (same one cos they state its number) in stock since they were released and its still at £3850. Yes both the SLA025 and later the SLA033 have been slower to move out of AD stock than you would have expected. The NYC Boutique still has them both never sold, not sure of how many.
The SLA017 sold out immediately, perhaps because it was the first of these new re-issues. I got a 20% discount off MSRP on pre-order on my SLA017.
Neither the SLA025 nor the SLA033 has proven profitable to those who bought on speculation. In particular the 033 is about $1000 USD under list pretty much everywhere. I have the watch and paid the full boat when it came out and yes I lost my shirt but such is life.
I enquired about the watch as mentioned in my above post and had it been my birth year (it is one year away) I might have gone for it with the less 10% they offered. My mind was swayed when at the same time a 6105-8000 appeared at half the cost so I went for it instead.
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Post by japroe on Jun 29, 2020 16:48:59 GMT -8
The AD I purchased my SLA017 from here in the UK has had an SLA033 (same one cos they state its number) in stock since they were released and its still at £3850. Yes both the SLA025 and later the SLA033 have been slower to move out of AD stock than you would have expected. The NYC Boutique still has them both never sold, not sure of how many.
The SLA017 sold out immediately, perhaps because it was the first of these new re-issues. I got a 20% discount off MSRP on pre-order on my SLA017.
Neither the SLA025 nor the SLA033 has proven profitable to those who bought on speculation. In particular the 033 is about $1000 USD under list pretty much everywhere. I have the watch and paid the full boat when it came out and yes I lost my shirt but such is life.
This made me laugh, not at your expense, but just the comment if losing your shirt. I’d say that’s the best attitude to have. I will say, with prices coming down as much as they have I’m starting to get tempted on that beautiful piece myself. Does it get a decent amount of wrist time for you? Derek
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Post by Myles on Jun 29, 2020 16:59:45 GMT -8
I would have been OK with a deal on a 2nd hand reissue, but they ruined it with that gaudy X on the dial. Long time no see. Welcome back!
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Post by ivan on Jun 30, 2020 12:03:45 GMT -8
If I may suggest a third option worth checking out, upcoming reissue and overall poor sales have motivated my AD to significantly lower the price of SLA033 to somewhere around Marinemaster price. Now that is quite the development although admittedly I've lost sight of what Marine Masters go for these days. Would that mean a reduction of the $500 to $800 range or am I being overly optimistic? In EU the official price of SLA033 on release was 4600EUR and some stores still have this price listed, I got approximately 2k discount on this price. Still 2 times the new reissue price, but might be something to consider.
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