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Post by seikoholic on Nov 5, 2013 9:35:41 GMT -8
For OTR002 and Seikoholic...One of you says yellow hands and the other says orange. Is there more than one color? What do you mean when you say that the second hand is two parter? Is the second piece the button or cap that attaches the second hand to the movement? By the way when I look at the second hand with the picture a full size it appears that an orange or red color is trying to bleed through. When mine came in, years ago, it had an orange minute-counter hand and a yellow one-piece sweep. The watch has a COSERV servicing stamp inside the caseback. The watch should have had a two-piece sweep. According to Adrian / Technoman, the orange two-piece sweep would have been replaced at servicing, which was standard practice. They would have swapped it out with whatever they had to hand. I've seen others that were orange/orange. I haven't seen one that was clearly original that had yellow AFAIK. Again, according to Technoman, original issue color was orange for those hands. I've been looking for a correct orange two-piece sweep for about three years now.
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Post by sdoocms on Nov 5, 2013 12:10:39 GMT -8
For OTR002 and Seikoholic...One of you says yellow hands and the other says orange. Is there more than one color? What do you mean when you say that the second hand is two parter? Is the second piece the button or cap that attaches the second hand to the movement? By the way when I look at the second hand with the picture a full size it appears that an orange or red color is trying to bleed through. When mine came in, years ago, it had an orange minute-counter hand and a yellow one-piece sweep. The watch has a COSERV servicing stamp inside the caseback. The watch should have had a two-piece sweep. According to Adrian / Technoman, the orange two-piece sweep would have been replaced at servicing, which was standard practice. They would have swapped it out with whatever they had to hand. I've seen others that were orange/orange. I haven't seen one that was clearly original that had yellow AFAIK. Again, according to Technoman, original issue color was orange for those hands. I've been looking for a correct orange two-piece sweep for about three years now. Thanks for the input Spencer. When I have the watch serviced I will have the hands looked at too.
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Post by Rod on Nov 5, 2013 14:57:05 GMT -8
For OTR002 and Seikoholic...One of you says yellow hands and the other says orange. Is there more than one color? What do you mean when you say that the second hand is two parter? Is the second piece the button or cap that attaches the second hand to the movement? By the way when I look at the second hand with the picture a full size it appears that an orange or red color is trying to bleed through. When mine came in, years ago, it had an orange minute-counter hand and a yellow one-piece sweep. The watch has a COSERV servicing stamp inside the caseback. The watch should have had a two-piece sweep. According to Adrian / Technoman, the orange two-piece sweep would have been replaced at servicing, which was standard practice. They would have swapped it out with whatever they had to hand. I've seen others that were orange/orange. I haven't seen one that was clearly original that had yellow AFAIK. Again, according to Technoman, original issue color was orange for those hands. I've been looking for a correct orange two-piece sweep for about three years now. Spencer, i think the difference is that mine is an 7011 and this one an 7010. All the 7011's i've seen have the yellow hands and all the 7010's seem to have the red hands. JDM V the rest of the world i think any way a great watch!
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Post by seikoholic on Nov 5, 2013 15:53:11 GMT -8
Anything is possible - I am by no means an authoritative final stop on this. Mine's a -7010 "proof" from July 1970, English / Kanji JDM.
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Post by Rod on Nov 5, 2013 18:00:52 GMT -8
Anything is possible - I am by no means an authoritative final stop on this. Mine's a -7010 "proof" from July 1970, English / Kanji JDM. Yep mine most likely started out as orange and faded to yellow :)Still strange that the parts book gives the same number for both.. This photo came from the web and you can see the difference, the sub dial hand looks to be a newer hand than the sweep judging by the colour.
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Post by seikoholic on Nov 5, 2013 18:25:09 GMT -8
What's great about that shot is that it confirms something that Technoman talked about - the ID of the original bracelet. He thought that's what this watch model should have, and there it is. They're rare, I've only seen one personally. I'd say the watch on the right is dead-nuts original. I'm not saying the watch on the left isn't - it's a different model somewhat so I don't know what its deal is.
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Post by Rod on Nov 6, 2013 1:15:47 GMT -8
What's great about that shot is that it confirms something that Technoman talked about - the ID of the original bracelet. He thought that's what this watch model should have, and there it is. They're rare, I've only seen one personally. I'd say the watch on the right is dead-nuts original. I'm not saying the watch on the left isn't - it's a different model somewhat so I don't know what its deal is. Dead-nuts original sounds great, do you have a photo of the original bracelet? Rod
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Post by seikoholic on Nov 6, 2013 8:27:01 GMT -8
What's great about that shot is that it confirms something that Technoman talked about - the ID of the original bracelet. He thought that's what this watch model should have, and there it is. They're rare, I've only seen one personally. I'd say the watch on the right is dead-nuts original. I'm not saying the watch on the left isn't - it's a different model somewhat so I don't know what its deal is. Dead-nuts original sounds great, do you have a photo of the original bracelet? Rod I do have pictures but I have to find them - the bracelet is hard to find as well. Solid links joined by a single oval-shaped central connection. Sort of like a fishbone actually, but smoother, rounder. There was one for sale on eBay from Tokyo last month, $75 BIN. I nearly bought it. They never come up, or rarely I guess.
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Post by cobrajet25 on Nov 6, 2013 16:18:25 GMT -8
Are you guys talking about the original bracelet for a 6139-7010/1? This is it. I got this watch a couple months ago straight from Japan. The bracelet is hard to see in this pic. Here is a better pic of the bracelet on a watch I got about 2 1/2 years ago. I think this model came with either orange or yellow hands, as I believe neither of these two watches has been touched. Though it is possible that the yellow hands on the second watch have faded since the"cap" in the center has an orange-ish tint to it. I do not know if that is the color the cap originally was, or if it is an effect of age. I always see the bracelet described by Spencer and seen on the right watch in the post above on the 6139-8000 Speed-Timer?
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Post by Rod on Nov 6, 2013 20:08:39 GMT -8
Dead-nuts original sounds great, do you have a photo of the original bracelet? Rod I do have pictures but I have to find them - the bracelet is hard to find as well. Solid links joined by a single oval-shaped central connection. Sort of like a fishbone actually, but smoother, rounder. There was one for sale on eBay from Tokyo last month, $75 BIN. I nearly bought it. They never come up, or rarely I guess. Hey that's great when you find them post them up. I haven't seen that style of bracelet before and believed that the one Cobrajet has shown was correct.
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Post by Rod on Nov 8, 2013 2:49:07 GMT -8
I thought I'd seen this watch before, so went through my collection of Seiko books and sales brochures and found it!! This is from a 1970 sales brochure and clearly shows the bracelet, the hands do look red but under natural light are orange. Another book I have from 1970 (catalog) which is very hard to scan or photograph shows the same watch with yellow hands and the same bracelet. I tried to take a clear photo but haven't be successful!
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Post by seikoholic on Nov 8, 2013 10:37:31 GMT -8
I thought I'd seen this watch before, so went through my collection of Seiko books and sales brochures and found it!! This is from a 1970 sales brochure and clearly shows the bracelet, the hands do look red but under natural light are orange. Another book I have from 1970 (catalog) which is very hard to scan or photograph shows the same watch with yellow hands and the same bracelet. I tried to take a clear photo but haven't be successful! Well I'll be damned. LOOK at that one-piece sweep. The non-lumed minute hand is kind of weird, and I can see some guys saying that this is just catalog photography and not representative of issued watches (logic I'm not a fan of) based on that one detail. But a proof-dialed JDM watch with a one piece hand. Thank you so much for bringing this up! We need to archive this!
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Post by cobrajet25 on Nov 8, 2013 14:12:43 GMT -8
The hands on the two watches I have pictured would appear to be "one-piece" in a catalog pic like that as well. But they are clearly two-piece. Some early 6139s seem to have some sort of a capped hub?
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Post by seikoholic on Nov 8, 2013 16:25:24 GMT -8
The hands on the two watches I have pictured would appear to be "one-piece" in a catalog pic like that as well. But they are clearly two-piece. Some early 6139s seem to have some sort of a capped hub? What do you make of the missing lume on the minute hand?
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Post by Groundhog66 on Nov 8, 2013 16:47:07 GMT -8
The hands on the two watches I have pictured would appear to be "one-piece" in a catalog pic like that as well. But they are clearly two-piece. Some early 6139s seem to have some sort of a capped hub? What do you make of the missing lume on the minute hand? That's just weird...Perhaps so one could clearly tell the minute, from the hour hand in the dark? They are somewhat close to the same size, but I'm sure there has to be a better reason.
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Post by cobrajet25 on Nov 8, 2013 22:31:24 GMT -8
The hands on the two watches I have pictured would appear to be "one-piece" in a catalog pic like that as well. But they are clearly two-piece. Some early 6139s seem to have some sort of a capped hub? What do you make of the missing lume on the minute hand? That's just...strange. wtf.gif
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