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Post by dapellegrini on Mar 13, 2022 16:18:21 GMT -8
From my (still expanding) perspective / opinion - I strongly prefer in-house movements, but make exceptions for interesting things, start-ups and small companies doing interesting things. Ming is a good example. On the cheap end of the scale, MHD is another example. An ETA or Valjoux in a Doxa is no big deal to me, nor is the Jenny fish logo here and there - they own the brand, and in some ways saved it. A Miyota or Seagull movement would be the end of it though. Full stop.
EDIt: I just rechecked the photos - all the DOXA divers I am looking at say SWISS MADE on the dial... While I know that can mean different things, I am pretty sure you can't put a Chinese or Japanese movement in a watch and then mark SWISS MADE on the dial.
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Post by scubarob99 on Mar 13, 2022 16:49:43 GMT -8
I have no problems with Swiss workhorse/pedestrian movements ( half the micros use Seiko, the other half Miyota) It's the other parts that are Chinese that bug me- the dials or cases... I know this is the way things are done now, but that's why I would possibly buy a Tudor over a DOXA.
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Post by dapellegrini on Mar 13, 2022 17:12:45 GMT -8
I don't own a Tudor, but I have several Omegas and modern Rolex. I bet you are right that a Tudor is the better Swiss watch compared to a Doxa. In my case - I'm more interested in the Doxa for the brand's sake - vs its Swiss cred. Specifically, I am drawn to the 300T at <$2k as a fun, modern interpretation of a classic that has a unique aesthetic and a fun back story and heritage. If this guy is correct: www.doxa300t.com/oldnnew/oldnnew.htmthe original 300T from 1969 also ran on an ETA movement, as did the early re-issue about 20 years ago. EDIT - and the new one also houses an ETA: www.doxa300t.com/movement.htm
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Post by scubarob99 on Mar 13, 2022 17:20:40 GMT -8
I wanted a DOXA before I knew it was a DOXA. One of the early Cussler novels described it as a heavy, steel dive watch (Not A hundred percent sure, but think it was The Mediterranean Caper) I might have been 13 at the time and spending my time with my finger on the globe and my nose in anything wreck related in National Geographics. Getting that feeling by having it finally on my wrist would be priceless, even if for a moment. Maybe I just need to go vintage?
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Post by dapellegrini on Mar 13, 2022 18:25:53 GMT -8
Ya, an original would be really cool. For me, it would be too much of a study to make sure I am buying an original, and the ones I have seen (no idea if they are correct originals) are 2x or more the cost of the current 300T. A true vintage example would be fitting for a long time fan - And I would love to see the photos!
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Post by russtmurray on Mar 13, 2022 20:09:24 GMT -8
So this is where I stand. A while back I decided that I wanted to dip my toe in the Swiss pool. I narrowed it down to 3 brands and 5 watches Speedy Pro- No brainer, classic design, Timeless. Problem , I'm a water guy. Swim. Dive on occasion, surf...maybe, just maybe a chronograph is not for me ( I still have close to a dozen 6139's, so that's weak) Doxa- yes ma'am, loved it since I was about 12 or 13, but to shell out that kind of dough for doubtfull pedigree?, I'm not getting a $200 knock off either, that was not the point of the exercise. Tudor -Now we're talking. In house, great reputation. Not crazily priced for what you're getting...out of the 5 watches I mentioned, 3 are Tudors. The blue BB, the Blue BB58, and the GMT. The beauty is that I can actually go and try them on at the AD. Just when I was practically set on DOXA as it was also the cheapest option. I should just sit on the fence some more. Rob I can appreciate your hesitancy Rob although it wasn't my intention to dissuade you. I recall reading some misgivings quite a while ago and if I recall, those complaints centered around the change in ownership and customer service. Back then, I simply ignored all that since I wasn't in the market at the time. Fast forward to last year and without revisiting the controversy, I pulled the trigger with no real regrets. What I find irksome is how a brand like Doxa plays on a history that the present ownership had no part in. As they say, your mileage may vary
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Post by scubarob99 on Mar 13, 2022 20:41:12 GMT -8
So this is where I stand. A while back I decided that I wanted to dip my toe in the Swiss pool. I narrowed it down to 3 brands and 5 watches Speedy Pro- No brainer, classic design, Timeless. Problem , I'm a water guy. Swim. Dive on occasion, surf...maybe, just maybe a chronograph is not for me ( I still have close to a dozen 6139's, so that's weak) Doxa- yes ma'am, loved it since I was about 12 or 13, but to shell out that kind of dough for doubtfull pedigree?, I'm not getting a $200 knock off either, that was not the point of the exercise. Tudor -Now we're talking. In house, great reputation. Not crazily priced for what you're getting...out of the 5 watches I mentioned, 3 are Tudors. The blue BB, the Blue BB58, and the GMT. The beauty is that I can actually go and try them on at the AD. Just when I was practically set on DOXA as it was also the cheapest option. I should just sit on the fence some more. Rob I can appreciate your hesitancy Rob although it wasn't my intention to dissuade you. I recall reading some misgivings quite a while ago and if I recall, those complaints centered around the change in ownership and customer service. Back then, I simply ignored all that since I wasn't in the market at the time. Fast forward to last year and without revisiting the controversy, I pulled the trigger with no real regrets. What I find irksome is how a brand like Doxa plays on a history that the present ownership had no part in. As they say, your mileage may vary Oh, no worries. I've been battling this for years. A little more confusion, hesitancy and a few wrenches is par for the course. Rob
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Post by DanS on Mar 21, 2022 12:58:36 GMT -8
I have this vintage Searambler, and I do like it. Very cool bracelet with ratcheting clasp. Although if I'm honest, it wears a bit top-heavy.
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Post by russtmurray on Mar 21, 2022 16:17:26 GMT -8
I have this vintage Searambler, and I do like it. Very cool bracelet with ratcheting clasp. Although if I'm honest, it wears a bit top-heavy. That's a great vintage. Interesting that you find it top heavy, I wonder if the older ones are in fact heavier? One thing I've noticed is that the end links on yours are pretty much flush with the end of the lugs whereas the end links on the new versions are a tad "proud"* of lug ends. I also think the knurling on the bezel is thinner with the newer models as compared to the vintage models. *apologies for using such a trendy term
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Post by peterr on Mar 21, 2022 18:32:54 GMT -8
i've had a few doxas, bought and sold through watchuseek/watchrecon. i have never lost a penny owning any of them, their resale value has been very strong. i don't know if the flood of Chinese knockoffs is affecting this, as i have one 300, and i absolutlely love, and prefer, the 300 case, which is way slimmer ( i mean, less thick) than the 300T. it is such a beautiful watch. it keeps almost perfect time, and it has truly crappy lume, that's been my common experience across all the Doxas i've had. the ones i have loved, i have sent out to Kent at Everest for a relume, and once he's done, they're better than Seiko quality. these have sold well too, none of this relume reluctance that so many Seiko fans seem to cling to. they understand that it's a functional object, made to tell time under all circumstances. why Doxa uses such dim and thinly applied lume is beyond me. i like to sandblast these, too, and though this is my one "expensive" watch, i am not embarassed to wear it, it's always a joy:) Attachments:
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Post by dapellegrini on Mar 21, 2022 19:03:30 GMT -8
Nice watches. Question - is the Jenny Fish logo on the crown always Orange - even when the dial is another color?
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Post by russtmurray on Mar 21, 2022 19:16:28 GMT -8
Nice watches. Question - is the Jenny Fish logo on the crown always Orange - even when the dial is another color? To my knowledge, yes.
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Post by tritto on Mar 22, 2022 2:07:54 GMT -8
I’ve tried on a couple of friends’ Doxas (200 and 300T) and the were both nice watches. They appear to be well made and they look the part. I’ve also check out a friends Tudor BB58 Blue. The Tudor was certainly the more refined package if you can stretch the budget. If anyone is interested, Episode 128 of The Grey Nato includes an interview with the guy that persuaded Doxo to remake the 300T. He claims he had to commit to buying 1000 of them to make it happen.
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Post by russtmurray on Mar 22, 2022 7:21:31 GMT -8
I’ve tried on a couple of friends’ Doxas (200 and 300T) and the were both nice watches. They appear to be well made and they look the part. I’ve also check out a friends Tudor BB58 Blue. The Tudor was certainly the more refined package if you can stretch the budget. If anyone is interested, Episode 128 of The Grey Nato includes an interview with the guy that persuaded Doxo to remake the 300T. He claims he had to commit to buying 1000 of them to make it happen. Thanks for the lead Tristan, I'll check it out! As you say, those Tudor BB's are terrific. Perhaps some day?
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Post by pete26 on Mar 22, 2022 17:45:04 GMT -8
Well, not yet but I will be in a couple of days. I am completing a trade deal with a substantial piece and getting: SLA043 Doxa Sub 300 Professional COSC Marathon Arctic MSAR 36 Titanium Tran Tixxii GMW B5000TR As well as an 8 slot leather watch roll, so will be able to update after Friday morning. I haven't been this excited in years. Wearing this one today.
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Post by pete26 on Mar 24, 2022 19:28:15 GMT -8
Just got mine today, glad to be in the club.
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Post by russtmurray on Mar 26, 2022 7:28:48 GMT -8
Just got mine today, glad to be in the club. Congratulations Pete, it looks terrific!
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Post by dapellegrini on Mar 26, 2022 14:54:51 GMT -8
pete26 - very nice! I dropped in to my favorite local watch store today, and they had a Doxa 300 aqualung there - very cool in person. The crown was signed DOXA instead of the Jenny Fish, and was not colored. The 300 dial is quite small, but the whole setup has nice heft and feels good on the wrist. I like the "proud" bracelet, but I have a hunch I would like the 300T a little more... just a hunch at this point
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Post by pete26 on Mar 26, 2022 20:34:27 GMT -8
Just got mine today, glad to be in the club. Congratulations Pete, it looks terrific! Thanks Russ, it wears comfy as well.
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Post by pete26 on Mar 31, 2022 19:41:41 GMT -8
A pic for those on the fence. I just had a pleasant morning with Rod and showed him in person, but took these earlier. What I like COSC movement, thinner case, domed sapphire crystal and metric measurement ( we don't do feet and inches down here anymore).
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