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Post by Rod on Sept 13, 2014 20:32:44 GMT -8
Should be here in a week or so!  |
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cobrajet25
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Post by cobrajet25 on Sept 13, 2014 22:56:19 GMT -8
Wow! That's a helluva replacement movement for a 62MAS!
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Post by Rod on Sept 14, 2014 0:18:46 GMT -8
Wow! That's a helluva replacement movement for a 62MAS! I like to think of it as an engine up grade, out with the small block and in with the Keith Black  |
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Post by ninja01 on Sept 14, 2014 0:34:55 GMT -8
OK, correct me if I'm wrong - but I see a movement that appears to be labeled a 621 5A, in which case it goes to the 1st generation of 300M diver. The 6215 was a low-beat, w/ Date only calendar, and had 3 5 jewels. BUT: The rotor says 3 9 jewels. Right?? If so that rotor likely comes from a 6216 which was day/date and had the "full" 39 jewels as it was simply a lesser-tuned variant of the 6246 Grand Seiko / Chronometer movement. Interestingly, the 6215 itself was also simply a lesser-tuned variant of the 6245 Date-only Grand Seiko (corresponding to the 6246 in tuning/regulation). So, likely a bit of a "franken" movement there, but agreed - definitely a step up from a "normal" 62MAS movement  Shows the quality level of those PRO divers from Seiko in the '60s (2nd Gen 300M and the 600M "hockey puck")!! Like the later 6159 based PRO divers that had a movement from the "Grand Seiko Special" sub-family [GS Special had 6155 (Date only) and 6156 (Day & Date) running @ 36K bph]. Anyway - given the rarity of either a 6215 or a 6216, it's curious where your movement (parts) came out of!! |
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Post by Rod on Sept 14, 2014 0:50:39 GMT -8
Mate it is a 39 jewel, hacking, 19,800bph 6216a movement with the day wheel removed so it fits into the 62Mas case. As you know the 6216 is a 5.5 beat as opposed to the 6217 being 5.0 beat.
So no mutant movement it all, it came out of a 6216-8000 that i bought, and is one project that I've been saving parts for. The original 6217 movement has also been fully serviced and many new parts added. You also missed the fine adjusted, later gear version and not a tadpole.
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Post by mariod on Sept 14, 2014 1:03:03 GMT -8
That's truly fantastic. I've read Duncan's post about this one on another forum... :winner:
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Post by Rod on Sept 14, 2014 1:37:27 GMT -8
That's truly fantastic. I've read Duncan's post about this one on another forum... :winner: Yes Duncan did the work and is becoming a true guru to us lesser mortals  |
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Post by ninja01 on Sept 15, 2014 22:36:22 GMT -8
Mate it is a 39 jewel, hacking, 19,800bph 6216a movement with the day wheel removed so it fits into the 62Mas case. As you know the 6216 is a 5.5 beat as opposed to the 6217 being 5.0 beat. So no mutant movement it all, it came out of a 6216-8000 that i bought, and is one project that I've been saving parts for. The original 6217 movement has also been fully serviced and many new parts added. You also missed the fine adjusted, later gear version and not a tadpole. OK - a 6216A it is. On my screen it is hard to tell if the last calibre# digit is a 5 or 6. Too fuzzy for my eyes!  About the tadpole vs. cog-wheel. As far as I've seen/heard, the 6216 ONLY came with cog-wheel. It was 6218 (35j auto day/date, 18Kbph IIRC) that had tadpole for the A & B variants, then went with cog-wheel for the C. AFAIK, 6216, like the 6246 (for Chronometer / GS) only had the cog-wheel fine-adjuster. OR - maybe I misunderstand what you mean to compare against (w/ tadpole). AFAIK, 6215 also was only designed w/ cog-wheel. Interesting that you're "cannibalizing" a 6216 - they are one of the very hardest Seikomatics (of high quality too!) to find. I've seen more 6246's [GS / Chronometer] for sale than 6216's. Well, anyway, that 6217 should be a real "performer" when you're through with it!! |
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Post by Rod on Sept 16, 2014 0:57:37 GMT -8
Mate it is a 39 jewel, hacking, 19,800bph 6216a movement with the day wheel removed so it fits into the 62Mas case. As you know the 6216 is a 5.5 beat as opposed to the 6217 being 5.0 beat. So no mutant movement it all, it came out of a 6216-8000 that i bought, and is one project that I've been saving parts for. The original 6217 movement has also been fully serviced and many new parts added. You also missed the fine adjusted, later gear version and not a tadpole. OK - a 6216A it is. On my screen it is hard to tell if the last calibre# digit is a 5 or 6. Too fuzzy for my eyes! About the tadpole vs. cog-wheel. As far as I've seen/heard, the 6216 ONLY came with cog-wheel. It was 6218 (35j auto day/date, 18Kbph IIRC) that had tadpole for the A & B variants, then went with cog-wheel for the C. AFAIK, 6216, like the 6246 (for Chronometer / GS) only had the cog-wheel fine-adjuster. OR - maybe I misunderstand what you mean to compare against (w/ tadpole). AFAIK, 6215 also was only designed w/ cog-wheel. Interesting that you're "cannibalizing" a 6216 - they are one of the very hardest Seikomatics (of high quality too!) to find. I've seen more 6246's [GS / Chronometer] for sale than 6216's. Well, anyway, that 6217 should be a real "performer" when you're through with it!! Mate I've bought and sold 5 6126's ove the last few years and this one came missing the crown, bezel and with a beat up case, so it was a good candidate. Rod |
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Post by cobrajet25 on Sept 16, 2014 3:23:01 GMT -8
I just bought a 6216 movement "ala carte" last week. You can see it HERE. Best part (and most surprising ) is the sumbitch runs great! |
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Post by Rod on Sept 16, 2014 3:58:55 GMT -8
Well if you are interested i have a dial, hands and……..I'll PM you  $1.25 :happy:nice |
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Post by ninja01 on Sept 16, 2014 4:33:29 GMT -8
I just bought a 6216 movement "ala carte" last week. You can see it HERE. Best part (and most surprising ) is the sumbitch runs great! Impressive price for something of that quality level, less than $25 with shipping from the sound of it. Not surprised about the great running - after all, these essentially are a Grand Seiko {of 1st generation automatic low-beat} movement, just without all the fine-adjustment @ the factory. Heck, you can likely do that yourself & get it running to 1966 Grand Seiko specs!! That works out to: (1966) (-3 -> +6) secs/day for MDR, also called 'AA Grade'. This was changed to (-3 -> +5) in 1969. Nice catch! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 16:31:03 GMT -8
I just bought a 6216 movement "ala carte" last week. You can see it HERE. Best part (and most surprising ) is the sumbitch runs great! Those Quebecois speaking Canuckistanians sure do know how to rip on postage! |
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Post by Rod on Oct 17, 2014 21:29:30 GMT -8
Well here it is…A big thank you to Duncan who had the two movements apart a few times as he fitted more NOS items to make them perfect. His attention to detail is top rate with great care and constant communication. This project has gone just how I wanted it to go, smoothly and with love i don't think i could be happier. This 6216 movement runs well within COSC and the original movement runs very well indeed but may have to wait until it's fitted to a case for final evaluation. Average daily rate: −4/+6
Mean variation in rates: 2
Greatest variation in rates: 5
Difference between rates in H & V positions: −6/+8
Largest variation in rates: 10
Thermal variation: ±0.6
Rate resumption: ±5 |
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Post by cobrajet25 on Oct 17, 2014 23:25:18 GMT -8
Rod, that watch is a beast AND a beauty! I guess if the 6215 diver and the 6217 diver ever mated and had an offspring, this is what it would be like! It looks like mommy and runs like daddy!
The math works, too. 6215 + 6217 / 2 = 6216.
Great job!
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Post by Rod on Oct 17, 2014 23:57:09 GMT -8
Rod, that watch is a beast AND a beauty! I guess if the 6215 diver and the 6217 diver ever mated and had an offspring, this is what it would be like! It looks like mommy and runs like daddy! The math works, too. 6215 + 6217 / 2 = 6216. Great job! Thanks, i am really impressed with this watch and feel that it is a keeper! long live the 6216-8000  |
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Post by jim1963 on Oct 18, 2014 0:38:39 GMT -8
That is one very nice watch Rod :winner: Duncan's work is outstanding
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Post by 69ChevelleSS on Oct 18, 2014 5:42:32 GMT -8
Congrats . . . it's a real beauty whose beauty is not just skin deep. Enjoy it in good health!
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Post by Groundhog66 on Oct 18, 2014 8:11:40 GMT -8
Oh my goodness, that's a beauty for sure!
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Post by feca67 on Oct 18, 2014 13:57:09 GMT -8
Thanks for the tip - been and read the article, lost count of the number of things I learnt in one post. Just amazing. That's truly fantastic. I've read Duncan's post about this one on another forum... :winner: |
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