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Post by Hobbes on Jun 26, 2013 14:58:02 GMT -8
I know what you guys are saying, but was wondering how we will look at the current era in 20 or 30 years. Maybe only the great designs will stay around, and we will forget about the lesser quality designs.
You can see this very clearly with furniture, chairs for example. Every modern architecture magazine is full of Charles and Ray Eames, Le Corbusier, Mies van der Rohe, Arne Jacobsen etc. furniture. These guys made certain classics that have stood the test of time and are amongst the most iconic, classy, modern designs to this day. It is very hard for anyone nowadays to come up with something of similar impact, albeit not impossible of course.
Like the Captain said, I'm sure the 007/009 will survive. I'm sure the Monster will. As it is probably easier and cheaper to produce more models, this happens, and the majority will probably not be remembered.
It is interesting that in the new watches (not only Seiko, but also e.g. Tudor, Dagaz) I feel myself attracted to the 'vintage inspired' designs. Hell, I even drive an FJ Cruiser...
I think I read once that according to psychologists (describing trends for an increased global affinity for retro design) a tendency to cling to the past represents a fear of the future! Just some food for thought!
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Post by WatchDawg on Jun 26, 2013 15:17:20 GMT -8
Is this new forum gonna be all about vintage watches? I get most of you guys are vintage collectors, but I'm way at the other end of the spectrum. Not that I don't like vintage because half my collection is vintage. But I'm also not self limiting either. I think I like to keep an open mind to new stuff too. In fact, I prefer it. Do I like every new design that comes out from Seiko? No! But I won't get hung up on just vintage pieces either. Cushion cases for example. I like them a lot, but that was a certain era past. I get that. I really don't expect for Seiko reissue those past designs we love because a small group of collectors sort of demand it. Sure, I would like them to, but I won't count on it. But looking at some of the newer designs, from 2000 forward, they've come up with some pretty unique designs that I find fantastic. I kinda view it this way...I appreciate the newer designs as much as do the older ones, to me each new design is some departure from the last. Then again, I'm a design engineer, so my perspective might be somewhat different. For me creativity plays a huge role. And I wish they would be more creative. I also wish they would make more mainstream type divers other than the SKX series. Fact is, the designers of the 60's & 70's are long gone. New designers are at the helm. I welcome their creativity. The stargate for example, a stunningly beautiful piece! Kudo's to the new era designers! Same could be said for others...Sumo, Sawtooth, Knight, Frankenmonster, Atlas, BFK, Spork, SKXA33, and countless other newer type designs that are a vast departure from legacy designs. I know I'm talking strictly divers here, but you get my point... I just hope threads about new stuff get the same discussion traction as the vintage. But I also understand the vintage collectors point of view, newer stuff just ain't your gig. Different strokes, as they say... I'm with most of my buds here, not much in the modern world of design really lights my fire, with very few exceptions, that being said, I think all of 'us' are open minded when it comes to potentially admiring and accepting things outside our comfort zone, as Tim said, don't be shy, post them up and write em up, help us oldies broaden our collective minds . . . I don't think any of us would bag something cool just because it's a new piece . . . I'm seriously thinking of pulling the trigger on one of the new release quartz Bullheads, I also own a Sumo, a SBBN015 and several 007's, they're all current models . . . so come on man, show us what you've got, if it's Japanese, it's all good. Tora, Tora, Tora !!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2013 16:12:39 GMT -8
Is this new forum gonna be all about vintage watches? I get most of you guys are vintage collectors, but I'm way at the other end of the spectrum. Not that I don't like vintage because half my collection is vintage. But I'm also not self limiting either. I think I like to keep an open mind to new stuff too. In fact, I prefer it. Do I like every new design that comes out from Seiko? No! But I won't get hung up on just vintage pieces either. Cushion cases for example. I like them a lot, but that was a certain era past. I get that. I really don't expect for Seiko reissue those past designs we love because a small group of collectors sort of demand it. Sure, I would like them to, but I won't count on it. But looking at some of the newer designs, from 2000 forward, they've come up with some pretty unique designs that I find fantastic. I kinda view it this way...I appreciate the newer designs as much as do the older ones, to me each new design is some departure from the last. Then again, I'm a design engineer, so my perspective might be somewhat different. For me creativity plays a huge role. And I wish they would be more creative. I also wish they would make more mainstream type divers other than the SKX series. Fact is, the designers of the 60's & 70's are long gone. New designers are at the helm. I welcome their creativity. The stargate for example, a stunningly beautiful piece! Kudo's to the new era designers! Same could be said for others...Sumo, Sawtooth, Knight, Frankenmonster, Atlas, BFK, Spork, SKXA33, and countless other newer type designs that are a vast departure from legacy designs. I know I'm talking strictly divers here, but you get my point... I just hope threads about new stuff get the same discussion traction as the vintage. But I also understand the vintage collectors point of view, newer stuff just ain't your gig. Different strokes, as they say... Truth be told; I have mostly vintage pieces because they are all I'm willing to part money with. If I had the disposable income; I would have a Stargate, a Sawtooth and a Spring Drive. The vintage watches allow me to practice my watch tinkering skills...no reason to tear down a perfectly good new movement. Until the lottery win comes in; I will have to enjoy my inexpensive vintage pieces...unless somebody wants to donate an original black dial Stargate loser-sign |
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Post by SpinDoctor on Jun 26, 2013 17:05:05 GMT -8
Nah, I prefer new models. You just have to ignore 99% of the options.
Aesthetics aside, I think you get much more for your money.
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cd_god
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Post by cd_god on Jun 26, 2013 17:38:44 GMT -8
The only modern Seikos that appealed to me were the ones that look like the MOD watches with Noah and Yobokies parts that came out first such as the Spork which looks like most MOD'd Seiko SKX divers using the Sinn 656 style dials.
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Post by donciccio on Jun 26, 2013 18:48:00 GMT -8
I prefer vintage things. Watches, cars, etc. Love classic rock. I dont dig old chicks though, with the exception of Helen Mirren. yes1.gif
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Post by seikoholic on Jun 26, 2013 18:48:29 GMT -8
I prefer vintage things. Watches, cars, etc. Love classic rock. I dont dig old chicks though, with the exception of Helen Mirren. yes1.gif Ever see "Caligula" back in the day? Awful movie, but she's awesome. |
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Post by donciccio on Jun 26, 2013 18:49:47 GMT -8
I prefer vintage things. Watches, cars, etc. Love classic rock. I dont dig old chicks though, with the exception of Helen Mirren. yes1.gif Ever see "Caligula" back in the day? Awful movie, but she's awesome. Movie no. Pics from the movie. YES! thunbsup.gif |
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Post by Groundhog66 on Jun 26, 2013 18:52:06 GMT -8
Nah, I prefer new models. You just have to ignore 99% of the options. Aesthetics aside, I think you get much more for your money. rednono.giff Isn't that really what it all about, aesthetics? I have no desire to buy a watch, just because it's reliable laugh1.gif |
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Post by C4L18R3 on Jun 26, 2013 18:59:26 GMT -8
Yes in a way, ever since I got interested in vintage Seiko, I slowly found it harder to like the newer ones. But having said that, I am still very open to a lot of other designs. If it appeals to me, it doesn't really matter if its new or 40+ years old.
The thing that makes vintage Seikos really interesting for me is that these 30-40 year old watches harks back to a time when Seiko was not yet in mass production mode and really strived to be a cut above the rest (in their own very Japanese way). Their watches were made in a manner that was superior, timeless yet understated.
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Post by SpinDoctor on Jun 26, 2013 19:16:38 GMT -8
Nah, I prefer new models. You just have to ignore 99% of the options. Aesthetics aside, I think you get much more for your money. rednono.giff Isn't that really what it all about, aesthetics? I have no desire to buy a watch, just because it's reliable laugh1.gif There's really no point to arguing aesthetics. I was not considering reliability as a factor, but it certainly is an important one. What's the point of a watch that doesn't tell time well? I was thinking more along the lines of construction and finishing matched dollar for dollar.
Case in point the 7A28 I cleaned up for a friend would fetch maybe $250 or so. That same $250 on even an Invicta gets you better constructed and finished watch. Now, is it the world's first analog quartz chronograph? No of course not. Who knows what's inside, but if you don't care about such things, why pay for them? Now this doesn't mean I absolutely don't care about mechanisms, but in the list of priorities construction and finishing rank higher. Having a special caliber inside is just gravy. |
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Post by SpinDoctor on Jun 26, 2013 19:29:03 GMT -8
I think the vintage enthusiasts forget that Seiko made a shit ton of models through the 60's and 70's that nearly all have all been lost to time. Just flip through some of the old catalogs. To my eyes all I see paraded on the forums are the same dozen or so vintage models. Maybe even less. 6105. 6309. 6138. 6139. 7548. 7002. Occasional Arnie. If we're really lucky a one button chrono, elnix or advan.
20 years from now the same popular current models today will still be collected just like we collect the above vintage models and all the premiere and arctura and Le Grand Sport models will all be forgotten.
What we really have been suffering over the last 3 years or so is Seiko's move upmarket and discontinuation of lower models without replacement has left a large hole what otherwise was a healthy affordables market.
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Post by cd_god on Jun 26, 2013 19:33:45 GMT -8
I think the vintage enthusiasts forget that Seiko made a shit ton of models through the 60's and 70's that nearly all have all been lost to time. Just flip through some of the old catalogs. To my eyes all I see paraded on the forums are the same dozen or so vintage models. Maybe even less. 6105. 6309. 6138. 6139. 7548. 7002. Occasional Arnie. If we're really lucky a one button chrono, elnix or advan. 20 years from now the same popular current models today will still be collected just like we collect the above vintage models and all the premiere and arctura and Le Grand Sport models will all be forgotten. What we really have been suffering over the last 3 years or so is Seiko's move upmarket and discontinuation of lower models without replacement has left a large hole what otherwise was a healthy affordables market. Agree 100% |
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Post by martog on Jun 26, 2013 19:48:57 GMT -8
I prefer the Vintage over the new styles. Seems as if all the new look exactly the same and that's why I havent bothered buying anything new! |
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Post by martog on Jun 26, 2013 19:52:25 GMT -8
I prefer vintage things. Watches, cars, etc. Love classic rock. I dont dig old chicks though, with the exception of Helen Mirren. yes1.gif |
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Post by seikoholic on Jun 26, 2013 20:13:31 GMT -8
I think the vintage enthusiasts forget that Seiko made a shit ton of models through the 60's and 70's that nearly all have all been lost to time. Just flip through some of the old catalogs. To my eyes all I see paraded on the forums are the same dozen or so vintage models. Maybe even less. 6105. 6309. 6138. 6139. 7548. 7002. Occasional Arnie. If we're really lucky a one button chrono, elnix or advan. 20 years from now the same popular current models today will still be collected just like we collect the above vintage models and all the premiere and arctura and Le Grand Sport models will all be forgotten. What we really have been suffering over the last 3 years or so is Seiko's move upmarket and discontinuation of lower models without replacement has left a large hole what otherwise was a healthy affordables market. I was talking to a jeweler in St. Louis today about work he might send in since his local watch guy now refuses to do Seiko. Anyway, he pulled out a Seiko 6309-7160 from '78. One of the clunky dress models with the faceted crystals. He asked me if it was worth trying to sell, and the most diplomatic answer I could come up with was "not right now, but maybe in a few years".  |
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Post by estrickland on Jun 26, 2013 21:27:47 GMT -8
My favorite Seikos are more than just nice looking watches, they represent some advancement, or a link to time or place.
The 62Mas, the 6215, the Uemura, the Pogue, the Bond chrono, the Snowflake.
My other Seikos - MM300, 6309-7049, Blue Ti Sammy, 23j black panda - are nice watches - nice to wear, nice to look at, but without the deeper connection ultimately they're less satisfying.
The Miura Landmaster and Masumane Ananta are nice pieces which I think will stand the test of time, but otherwise Seiko's modern offerings aren't doing much for me. I don't expect a 007 to become a collector's piece in 40 years.
It's not just watches and it's not just Seiko - almost none of today's offerings in any field are destined to be classics.
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Post by dad-the-diver on Jun 26, 2013 22:56:06 GMT -8
I prefer vintage things. Watches, cars, etc. Love classic rock. I dont dig old chicks though, with the exception of Helen Mirren. yes1.gif Dude, you need to see her movie "Love Ranch" with Joe Pesci. Great film. True story too. |
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Post by scubarob99 on Jun 27, 2013 2:39:26 GMT -8
I prefer vintage things. Watches, cars, etc. Love classic rock. I dont dig old chicks though, with the exception of Helen Mirren. yes1.gif We must have been seperated at birth... cheering-clapping-smiley-emoticon Rob. |
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Post by seikoholic on Jun 27, 2013 5:28:19 GMT -8
I don't expect a 007 to become a collector's piece in 40 years. That is not an opinion I see too often, interesting. How long do you see them hanging on in watch boxes? What do you consider the factor(s) that will keep them from classic status? |
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