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Post by donciccio on Mar 30, 2020 13:14:50 GMT -8
Do you have another pic of the bracelet? It looks interesting. Interesting is one word for it. I’m not sure, but maybe just maybe it’s not original 🤔 All things considered I think that thing is pretty darn cool.
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Post by small on Mar 30, 2020 13:47:45 GMT -8
Do you have another pic of the bracelet? It looks interesting. Interesting is one word for it. I’m not sure, but maybe just maybe it’s not original 🤔 I thought these bracelets were hand made or at least the style was popular during the Vietnam period with Navy SeaBeeS? Originals were hundreds of dollars??? Then they were copied and sold...This looks like a copy but still cool.
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Post by cobrajet25 on Mar 30, 2020 23:07:50 GMT -8
Interesting is one word for it. I’m not sure, but maybe just maybe it’s not original 🤔 I thought these bracelets were hand made or at least the style was popular during the Vietnam period with Navy SeaBeeS? Originals were hundreds of dollars??? Then they were copied and sold...This looks like a copy but still cool.
Those are often called 'Olongapo bracelets', though this is definitely a more modern interpretation.
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Post by peenemunde on Apr 1, 2020 3:31:37 GMT -8
On the way, from Thailand
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Post by Senpai on Apr 1, 2020 5:56:11 GMT -8
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Post by Fergus on Apr 1, 2020 7:28:26 GMT -8
Well, it was in the post but turned up today.
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Post by Solotov on Apr 1, 2020 11:47:19 GMT -8
Another new one, couldn't resist. Shot out an offer and the seller agreed to it. Bit fuzzy on the actual condition, but aesthetically it looks solid (Now I just need to find the missing end link to that bracelet) Miight need to start purging again though... Anyone want to buy a bunch of broken watches to clear up my desk?
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Post by datilderek on Apr 2, 2020 9:31:08 GMT -8
This is a cool looking Orient 3 Star that I found on Mercari. It is a sample watch without a movement, so it is yet another project for me to work on. I don't know what movement I will end up using, but it will likely be dictated by what the hands fit. I'd love to use a Seiko 7S36 to keep it as an automatic. However, I would have no issues with using a Hattori VX43E if the hole size is appropriate.
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Post by pip on Apr 2, 2020 13:03:16 GMT -8
Miight need to start purging again though... Anyone want to buy a bunch of broken watches to clear up my desk? Always, broken watches are good watches 🤣🤣
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Post by l10n3l on Apr 4, 2020 8:55:56 GMT -8
Hello WS, So I decided to take some risks and leave the comfort of the Seiko vintage watches universe, where the codes engraved onto the caseback say what is the movement for sure, where the codes of the crystals or the gaskets say what is their sizes, shapes or material and where we can find plenty document about such as parts lists and servicing procedures on the Internet 😊 I bought 3 vintage Citizen. First, we have this Seven Star Deluxe, which is obviously in the wrong casing as the caseback says it is a Crystal seven. And typing its code on google leads quickly to the right model. But I bought it knowing that and the price was so low, I don’t mind too much. If I assume the movement follows the dial, it is probably a 5270 18.000bph according to this great document made by Stephen from sweep-hand.org. It has no day quickset, can’t hack but can be manually wound. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Fortunately, it appears the Sternkreuz XMF 307.879 is an appropriate replacement for the crystal. Regarding the gaskets, I have no information about the dimensions but at least they should be quite common : 2 gaskets for the crystal, 1 flat and 1 o-ring, 1 flat gasket for the caseback and of course a small o-ring for the crown. I’ll have to measure them directly on the watch. It seems that Citizen went cheap for the crown which is plated and well worn. I’ll need to find a NOS part to replace it. So it will be my first Citizen, more or less a kind of training for the following. Then comes the Leopard. I got it for only 2800 yens, probably because the small feline silhouette is missing on the dial of that model. But again from sweep-hand website, I can see this model is fully legit. catalog picture. The movement should be a 7220 beating at 28800bph, at least I hope it is. I expect all those features : hand winding, instant day and date changing, hacking and fine regulator but still no day quickset. Again I’m surprise, the crown is not solid S/S on this upper range model. Another NOS part to search. No replacement crystal listed at Sternkreuz, none genuine one can be found for sale. I’ll try polishing. And again, no information on the gaskets, except that the cross section of the crystal gasket is oval (thank you Citizen ☹) and the caseback gasket is more classically a flat one. I really like this design so I hope I will not mess with the restoration. Last is the most risky of the 3 since it has obviously an issue with the day indicator but I couldn’t resist this design : inner rotating bezel (despite the red area has faded away), blue hands and blue square dots onto the indexes, vertical display of the day and date at 6 and a good 7290 movement, from the same family of the Leopard above but with only 21600bph, no instant day-date changing, no fine regulator. And maybe the bracelet is original. I need to dig a little more on that. Here is the Custom v2. And once again I got most of my information from sweep-handAgain, no spare part can be easily found for the crystal and the gaskets. Wish me good luck! Any additional information about those Citizen will be very welcome.
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Post by allkindsofwatches1 on Apr 4, 2020 9:56:03 GMT -8
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Post by scubarob99 on Apr 4, 2020 10:45:06 GMT -8
I just got this in today. I'm not a diver but I've always wanted this kit. It's in perfect condition but the buttons are a little sticky. The watch is packed up and on its way to the CITIZEN service center for a new battery and major service 😊. I I remember this guy, had my eye on it when I was getting certified in 99, my local dive shop had it for sale. Rob
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Post by allkindsofwatches1 on Apr 4, 2020 11:40:17 GMT -8
I just got this in today. I'm not a diver but I've always wanted this kit. It's in perfect condition but the buttons are a little sticky. The watch is packed up and on its way to the CITIZEN service center for a new battery and major service 😊. I I remember this guy, had my eye on it when I was getting certified in 99, my local dive shop had it for sale. Rob Cool. I had registered for a PADI course in 1989 while on active duty. The Gulf War happened and diving was put on hold. Unfortunately I never got back to it. This watch has nothing to do with that but saying 😄.
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Post by tritto on Apr 4, 2020 15:05:35 GMT -8
Another new one, couldn't resist. Shot out an offer and the seller agreed to it. Bit fuzzy on the actual condition, but aesthetically it looks solid (Now I just need to find the missing end link to that bracelet) Miight need to start purging again though... Anyone want to buy a bunch of broken watches to clear up my desk? Is this a 19mm link? I have a bag of random end links and there are at least a couple of coffin link end links amongst them.
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Post by tritto on Apr 4, 2020 15:07:45 GMT -8
Hello WS, So I decided to take some risks and leave the comfort of the Seiko vintage watches universe, where the codes engraved onto the caseback say what is the movement for sure, where the codes of the crystals or the gaskets say what is their sizes, shapes or material and where we can find plenty document about such as parts lists and servicing procedures on the Internet 😊 I bought 3 vintage Citizen. First, we have this Seven Star Deluxe, which is obviously in the wrong casing as the caseback says it is a Crystal seven. And typing its code on google leads quickly to the right model. But I bought it knowing that and the price was so low, I don’t mind too much. If I assume the movement follows the dial, it is probably a 5270 18.000bph according to this great document made by Stephen from sweep-hand.org. It has no day quickset, can’t hack but can be manually wound. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Fortunately, it appears the Sternkreuz XMF 307.879 is an appropriate replacement for the crystal. Regarding the gaskets, I have no information about the dimensions but at least they should be quite common : 2 gaskets for the crystal, 1 flat and 1 o-ring, 1 flat gasket for the caseback and of course a small o-ring for the crown. I’ll have to measure them directly on the watch. It seems that Citizen went cheap for the crown which is plated and well worn. I’ll need to find a NOS part to replace it. So it will be my first Citizen, more or less a kind of training for the following. Then comes the Leopard. I got it for only 2800 yens, probably because the small feline silhouette is missing on the dial of that model. But again from sweep-hand website, I can see this model is fully legit. catalog picture. The movement should be a 7220 beating at 28800bph, at least I hope it is. I expect all those features : hand winding, instant day and date changing, hacking and fine regulator but still no day quickset. Again I’m surprise, the crown is not solid S/S on this upper range model. Another NOS part to search. No replacement crystal listed at Sternkreuz, none genuine one can be found for sale. I’ll try polishing. And again, no information on the gaskets, except that the cross section of the crystal gasket is oval (thank you Citizen ☹) and the caseback gasket is more classically a flat one. I really like this design so I hope I will not mess with the restoration. Last is the most risky of the 3 since it has obviously an issue with the day indicator but I couldn’t resist this design : inner rotating bezel (despite the red area has faded away), blue hands and blue square dots onto the indexes, vertical display of the day and date at 6 and a good 7290 movement, from the same family of the Leopard above but with only 21600bph, no instant day-date changing, no fine regulator. And maybe the bracelet is original. I need to dig a little more on that. Here is the Custom v2. And once again I got most of my information from sweep-handAgain, no spare part can be easily found for the crystal and the gaskets. Wish me good luck! Any additional information about those Citizen will be very welcome. rossr might be able to help you with information about these.
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Post by rossr on Apr 4, 2020 17:51:36 GMT -8
Hello WS, So I decided to take some risks and leave the comfort of the Seiko vintage watches universe, where the codes engraved onto the caseback say what is the movement for sure, where the codes of the crystals or the gaskets say what is their sizes, shapes or material and where we can find plenty document about such as parts lists and servicing procedures on the Internet 😊 I bought 3 vintage Citizen. First, we have this Seven Star Deluxe, which is obviously in the wrong casing as the caseback says it is a Crystal seven. And typing its code on google leads quickly to the right model. But I bought it knowing that and the price was so low, I don’t mind too much. If I assume the movement follows the dial, it is probably a 5270 18.000bph according to this great document made by Stephen from sweep-hand.org. It has no day quickset, can’t hack but can be manually wound. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Fortunately, it appears the Sternkreuz XMF 307.879 is an appropriate replacement for the crystal. Regarding the gaskets, I have no information about the dimensions but at least they should be quite common : 2 gaskets for the crystal, 1 flat and 1 o-ring, 1 flat gasket for the caseback and of course a small o-ring for the crown. I’ll have to measure them directly on the watch. It seems that Citizen went cheap for the crown which is plated and well worn. I’ll need to find a NOS part to replace it. So it will be my first Citizen, more or less a kind of training for the following. Then comes the Leopard. I got it for only 2800 yens, probably because the small feline silhouette is missing on the dial of that model. But again from sweep-hand website, I can see this model is fully legit. catalog picture. The movement should be a 7220 beating at 28800bph, at least I hope it is. I expect all those features : hand winding, instant day and date changing, hacking and fine regulator but still no day quickset. Again I’m surprise, the crown is not solid S/S on this upper range model. Another NOS part to search. No replacement crystal listed at Sternkreuz, none genuine one can be found for sale. I’ll try polishing. And again, no information on the gaskets, except that the cross section of the crystal gasket is oval (thank you Citizen ☹) and the caseback gasket is more classically a flat one. I really like this design so I hope I will not mess with the restoration. Last is the most risky of the 3 since it has obviously an issue with the day indicator but I couldn’t resist this design : inner rotating bezel (despite the red area has faded away), blue hands and blue square dots onto the indexes, vertical display of the day and date at 6 and a good 7290 movement, from the same family of the Leopard above but with only 21600bph, no instant day-date changing, no fine regulator. And maybe the bracelet is original. I need to dig a little more on that. Here is the Custom v2. And once again I got most of my information from sweep-handAgain, no spare part can be easily found for the crystal and the gaskets. Wish me good luck! Any additional information about those Citizen will be very welcome. rossr might be able to help you with information about these. Great to see some Citizen pieces that we don’t see here very often. You have one of the early Leopard models, which pre-dated the leaping leopard logo pieces. I’ve seen them from ‘69, but am yet to pick one up. I’d try to polish the thick mineral crystal - spares are extremely scarce. A new alternate would be fine. I’ve had a watchmaker try to move a mineral V2 crystal to a Leopard with shattering results. For parts, perhaps you might need to get a some donors to raid for parts. That has been my main source for spares. I can’t add anything with repe t to documentation - Stephen has done such a great job with all this despite the scarcity of information available about the ‘60s Citizens.
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Post by Solotov on Apr 4, 2020 18:36:08 GMT -8
Another new one, couldn't resist. Shot out an offer and the seller agreed to it. Bit fuzzy on the actual condition, but aesthetically it looks solid (Now I just need to find the missing end link to that bracelet) Miight need to start purging again though... Anyone want to buy a bunch of broken watches to clear up my desk? Is this a 19mm link? I have a bag of random end links and there are at least a couple of coffin link end links amongst them. Yessir, 19mm lug Should be blank on the bottom as per the other endlink. Would fit a 4006-701x or a 4006-702x, probably some others. Still don't have it in hand yet though
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Post by tritto on Apr 4, 2020 18:55:51 GMT -8
Is this a 19mm link? I have a bag of random end links and there are at least a couple of coffin link end links amongst them. Yessir, 19mm lug Should be blank on the bottom as per the other endlink. Would fit a 4006-701x or a 4006-702x, probably some others. Still don't have it in hand yet though I found some likely candidates and they're 19mm. When you get it, send me some good photos of the link you have (especially the underside) and we'll see if we have a match. 👍
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Post by l10n3l on Apr 4, 2020 23:17:15 GMT -8
Thank you Tristan. Thank you Ross. I'll watch auctions to find donor watches and be very careful with the crystal 😁 By the way, I also should thank akable for sharing what I believe is the only technical documentation about vintage Citizen available on the Internet. www.thewatchsite.com/threads/1971-citizen-technical-information.171138/that gave me confidence enough to tackle Citizen time pieces.
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Post by longbike on Apr 5, 2020 10:22:53 GMT -8
I just got this in today. I'm not a diver but I've always wanted this kit. It's in perfect condition but the buttons are a little sticky. The watch is packed up and on its way to the CITIZEN service center for a new battery and major service 😊. Aloha If you are not a Diver they are good and nice to have. I have had these but found out when using it ... For Diving they get complicated to use when on a Dive and do not register to much about .... The Dive. When Diving especially in ... Murky Waters they are hard to read and takes to much time to regulate properly. It is ... A Lot Safer to use it as a Back Up and use a .... Computer to get Faster and Exact Readings.
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