Mr.Jones
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Post by Mr.Jones on Dec 4, 2015 7:36:38 GMT -8
Yeah, that's no Seiko. This movement pops up all the time, sometimes the seller even claims it's an "Arnie". Let me just find some examples... I know someone here also had one of these. Louis? Edit: Here's one that does not claim to be a Seiko (pic taken from andy12r who posted in a thread on TOF): Oh, hey - same seller, but hidden in a watch lot ("Lots of beautiful watches, used"):
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Post by west.au on Dec 4, 2015 8:26:14 GMT -8
Oh, hey - same seller, but hidden in a watch lot ("Lots of beautiful watches, used"): to quote Stefan ... this 'dealer' is a toe-rag ... a very dirty one at that and i just checked his completed listings ... 321880618037 (was ADI the 'original' manufacturer of this type of watch?)
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Post by doomguy10011 on Dec 4, 2015 11:41:35 GMT -8
Oh, hey - same seller, but hidden in a watch lot ("Lots of beautiful watches, used"): to quote Stefan ... this 'dealer' is a toe-rag ... a very dirty one at that and i just checked his completed listings ... 321880618037 (was ADI the 'original' manufacturer of this type of watch?) Going by the logo, it looks like an Adidas ripoff.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 12:51:08 GMT -8
I am a bit of a fan of seiko digi-ana's ... but this one caused me indigestion! this is a current listing # 321925916256 but I think it's a fake ... check out the pics, what concerns me is: back cover ...I get flashing red lights everywhere i look,the font on SEIKO is rough, is that supposed to be a 'suwa' symbol?, and the 4 digit serial number?, SGP ... huh? where's the gold plate - the 'bezel' has a base-metal look to it? And then to the dial ... the symbols 180 200 240 are not even in a uniform curve, the 'S' on Seiko seems un-balanced, the m on 50m is lower-case, the alignment of numbers 5,6 &7 (6 is slightly higher) and compare the placement of the number 1 to number 11 And anyway isn't a cal. 6431 ... an early 3-hand quartz movement dress watch? This is a common fake. We've seen it before. There is absolutely nothing Seiko about it
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Post by west.au on Dec 7, 2015 5:46:27 GMT -8
Always fond of 5126's as I think that the JDM sport divers from this calibre are awesome, however this 8120 causes me a few concerns, which is a pity as I would like one of these ... am I overly cautious? am I too critical? .. or is it a cobblers attempt ... a) hour markers seem a bit 'flat' as tho' the dial has been re-worked, and the way the watch presents ... it's all a bit 'to good to be true' b) the case back markings seem to be less than Seiko standard ... - what is up with the '0' on the 8120??? - and the word 'waterproof' is not even, the last 'o' is egg shaped - the '9' on the serial number is just horrible - the 'O' in seiko is flat -bottomed, it should be a uniform oval shape c) and then the case ...and this to me is a major 'red flag' ... seiko cases are beautifully machined, this one shows rather crude machining, especially evident with the radial scoring on the bottom lugs (below) and the cut between the lugs (above) doesn't appear to machined true and square (hold a ruler to the above photo and you can really see how rubbish it is) This is a current listing on YJ ... and it's listed as a 5123 8120 (that was my first clue that something wasn't right)
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Post by Mr.Jones on Dec 7, 2015 6:27:33 GMT -8
I agree, the caseback is rubbish. If this is an original watch, then it fell out of the quality control trash bucket. In regard to the lugs - this could be a trick of perspective. If you use a wide-angle lens and center one end of the lugs, the other will be distorted like that. But the machining looks to be fresh.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 12:21:49 GMT -8
And another...
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Post by diverdave on Dec 12, 2015 1:46:26 GMT -8
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Post by 28A on Dec 12, 2015 2:27:40 GMT -8
If you google image search that picture like i did you'll find that picture has been used on multiple pages..
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Post by cobrajet25 on Dec 12, 2015 2:35:56 GMT -8
Gotta be REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAALLY careful buying one of these nowadays. I will only even consider one of these if it has had NO visible work done to it. That one has repainted hands. I'd leave it well alone. It won't sell cheap, and probably won't be worth whatever it goes for.
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Post by west.au on Dec 12, 2015 7:01:20 GMT -8
If you google image search that picture like i did you'll find that picture has been used on multiple pages.. Yep ... if a seller is not honest with the supposed pictures of the watch in question, you have to wonder what other surprises may be waiting, pics 1 & 2 are definitely a red light on google ... this one is for sale for $5000: www.preciolandia.com/ar/reloj-seiko-crono-modelo-6138-7000-t-sli-82b92t-a.htmlhhhmmm ... that photo is familiar
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Post by diverdave on Dec 12, 2015 9:23:00 GMT -8
Thanks for all the comments and my Feiko detector was not wrong this time.
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Post by saul on Dec 12, 2015 9:28:00 GMT -8
Any auction that includes blacked out background-special underlit lighting-arsty fartsy photos should tossed. It is a huge red flag to me.
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Post by Rod on Dec 12, 2015 20:48:16 GMT -8
I've asked him to include a photo of the case back, which he's done. Very sus, as the first two photo's are from two different watches, if you look at the inner Chrono ring at the "9" indicie you notice that in the first picture it's damaged but in the second perfect.
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Post by tritto on Dec 12, 2015 21:46:26 GMT -8
And one of the watches has a 30/60 subdial, while the other has a 30/00 subdial. I can't remember which of those is the fake.
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Post by Rod on Dec 13, 2015 2:48:08 GMT -8
And one of the watches has a 30/60 subdial, while the other has a 30/00 subdial. I can't remember which of those is the fake. I always remember the subdial as being a count up dial, so 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 and finally 60…I see that he has had the watch for sale on two other occasions, neither time it sold. I will be interesting to see what happens when (if) the watch sells
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Post by west.au on Dec 13, 2015 4:35:53 GMT -8
And one of the watches has a 30/60 subdial, while the other has a 30/00 subdial. I can't remember which of those is the fake. the 00 is the nasty ... from the thread posted on SCWF (May 12)Details:1. Mint/NOS condition WITHOUT box or papers 2. Serial Number: 4D8364 (try and google it!!) 3. 6 o'clock subdial shows '00' instead of '60' 4. Missing plastic pointer
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Post by saul on Dec 13, 2015 4:58:38 GMT -8
Let's make this a show you mine show me yours -7000 thread! Discussions of fakes becomes so disheartening after a while. Here's a real one (mine, shameless I'm-so-happy-I-own-one pic). Chrono hands are painted (or maybe just the sweep, I can't remember, ask Spencer), cursor ring is Jonathan's (I have an original tucked away).
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Post by tritto on Dec 13, 2015 12:12:23 GMT -8
Awesome Saul.
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Post by saul on Dec 13, 2015 13:14:24 GMT -8
Five years of collecting nos parts...and the magic of Spencer Klein.
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