suntzu
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Post by suntzu on Mar 31, 2020 9:49:36 GMT -8
Thoughts on this one, aside from the price and no movement photo? CLEAN WORKING 6139 6001I'm not looking to buy this one, but I want to learn more how to identify good and bad features on a vintage. For me, I think the case back matches the dial. Obviously some of the indices were replaced or relumed, but not all for whatever reason. The rotating bezel also looks pretty bright for the age - is it a/m? Lastly - are the chronograph hands right? I've seen a couple different ways of exactly how the chrono hands connect to the face, but it may be based on age or different variations. Thoughts? What am I not identifying? Thanks! Joshua You have hit all the right questions! Good detective work.
My opinion...
Appears original to me too, except maybe the inner chapter ring like you said; good question.
Case is heavily polished, a turd. Proper case back, but case maybe should be notched I believe for a Proof. But it is from July 1970 so maybe the factory had no more notched cases as they were transitioning into non-notched cases but still had Proof case backs? So maybe not a correct case for a Proof dial but still possible to be correct based on serial number dating. OR maybe the 6139-6001's didn't come with notched cases even with the Proof dial? My opinion, not an expert.
Proper hands/chrono set for a Proof dial. Don't know why the dial has mint lume at 2 and 4 o'clock. Maybe it was redone? Given the gunk on the lume of hands and dial and little flaking on the sub-dial leads me to believe they are original.
This is a great piece to help decipher what is legit, what possibly isn't if anything, and what might be legit but possibly cobbled together from multiple 6139's.
This is just my opinion! I could be wrong. If I were looking to purchase one (I know you're not) it would be a hard pass unless it was so cheap that I could use the movement, bezel, bezel insert, bracelet, and the chrono hand as they seem hard to come by. I know I need one badly!
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Post by jonoman on Apr 2, 2020 0:22:44 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 7:16:28 GMT -8
I’m looking at these three Citizen Newmaster’s on eBay. They look decent. They say they may need work. But the price seems kinda low nonetheless. Also, there’s a few things that make question whether they are real. One watch seems to have the markings you’d except to see on the case back, while the other two don’t appear to. He only shows the movement from one also. www.ebay.com/itm/114031700679Here’s a few screenshots to give you an idea. At the price, you won't be risking much. They all look fine. I have many citizens of the same model that have different case backs. The only one that has a suspect case back is the one with all the text on it. The text around the ring does not match the font of the inner text so may have been added later; either by Citizen or someone else.
I'm not aware of ever having seen these watches being faked.
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Post by SteveX on Apr 3, 2020 9:03:11 GMT -8
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I really have enough watches, and made a vow to slow down, so I don't peruse the 'ol bay like I used to... I certainly haven't seen these.
Nice quartz pieces.
Rhetorical question BTW...
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Post by saul on Apr 3, 2020 9:28:01 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 9:31:48 GMT -8
313045633267 I really have enough watches, and made a vow to slow down, so I don't peruse the 'ol bay like I used to... I certainly haven't seen these. Nice quartz pieces. Rhetorical question BTW... Gotta wonder if Seiko will do anything about these crooks...
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Post by condor97 on Apr 3, 2020 13:51:46 GMT -8
It takes some real talent to be automatic and quartz at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 15:05:07 GMT -8
It takes some real talent to be automatic and quartz at the same time. That is basically what Kinetic and Auto Quartz watches are
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Post by donciccio on Apr 4, 2020 8:15:49 GMT -8
313045633267 I really have enough watches, and made a vow to slow down, so I don't peruse the 'ol bay like I used to... I certainly haven't seen these. Nice quartz pieces. Rhetorical question BTW...
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Post by jonoman on Apr 4, 2020 23:49:13 GMT -8
I’m looking at these three Citizen Newmaster’s on eBay. They look decent. They say they may need work. But the price seems kinda low nonetheless. Also, there’s a few things that make question whether they are real. One watch seems to have the markings you’d except to see on the case back, while the other two don’t appear to. He only shows the movement from one also. www.ebay.com/itm/114031700679Here’s a few screenshots to give you an idea. At the price, you won't be risking much. They all look fine. I have many citizens of the same model that have different case backs. The only one that has a suspect case back is the one with all the text on it. The text around the ring does not match the font of the inner text so may have been added later; either by Citizen or someone else.
I'm not aware of ever having seen these watches being faked.
So I found this listing on the eBay. It seems like clear evidence that someone is faking citizen new masters. www.ebay.com/itm/193404544105Hmm. On second thought that seems legit. 😏
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Post by Fergus on Apr 5, 2020 19:07:24 GMT -8
He should have put 22 Jewels, after all the dial face is a jewel in itself 🤔
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Post by tomw86 on Apr 8, 2020 2:24:11 GMT -8
Any opinions on this one? Looks like it might be genuine if a little bit on the tired side: Not long left so any opinions greatly welcomed, price is low so I'm tempted.
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Post by Solotov on Apr 8, 2020 4:55:22 GMT -8
Any opinions on this one? Looks like it might be genuine if a little bit on the tired side: Not long left so any opinions greatly welcomed, price is low so I'm tempted. Wrong bracelet, but the watch head looks all good to me.
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Post by tomw86 on Apr 8, 2020 5:32:20 GMT -8
Any opinions on this one? Looks like it might be genuine if a little bit on the tired side: Not long left so any opinions greatly welcomed, price is low so I'm tempted. Wrong bracelet, but the watch head looks all good to me. Thanks 👍 it went past what I was willing to risk but at least I was able to spot a possible good one so my eye is getting better.
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Post by ausseikocollector on Apr 23, 2020 0:29:26 GMT -8
Hi guys, strap aside, does this look legit?
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Post by kue on Apr 23, 2020 1:09:55 GMT -8
Hi guys, strap aside, does this look legit? Looks good to me.
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Post by Solotov on Apr 27, 2020 16:08:46 GMT -8
What do ya'll think? the text looks a little big to me... Maybe just the seller photos
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Post by phil on Apr 27, 2020 22:48:48 GMT -8
Hi guys, strap aside, does this look legit? Looks legit to me too.
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Post by phil on Apr 27, 2020 22:50:14 GMT -8
What do ya'll think? the text looks a little big to me... Maybe just the seller photos Even if it is not original it does look nice. If the price is right I would go for it. Love the green and yellow combo. In dubio pro exemplum...
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Post by joshua on Apr 28, 2020 18:57:54 GMT -8
KakumeThis one turned up on ebay today. I actually own a JDM Kakume - it might be my very favorite watch to wear. Mine is a 5 Sports Speedtimer with Kanji day display and straight hands - which I think is the predominant (or only?) variation for JDM. I haven't seen this combination of Kanji day and arrow hands - it looks like a combination of JDM and overseas market variations? I may be wrong and it could be totally legit. What do the gurus here say?
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