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Post by suntzu on Apr 29, 2020 8:28:33 GMT -8
KakumeThis one turned up on ebay today. I actually own a JDM Kakume - it might be my very favorite watch to wear. Mine is a 5 Sports Speedtimer with Kanji day display and straight hands - which I think is the predominant (or only?) variation for JDM. I haven't seen this combination of Kanji day and arrow hands - it looks like a combination of JDM and overseas market variations? I may be wrong and it could be totally legit. What do the gurus here say? I saw this last night. It's an international example. Correct arrow hands, correct orange hands, corrected frosted sub dials with yellow text, correct black day date framing, correct lume plots. In fact, it looks too correct! Like it's been in a time capsule.
BUT, what concerns me is that the case is polished to shit. It's in awful shape. Begs the question, if the watch is perfect; why was the case polished to hell? Was it some dope on a polishing wheel cleaning it up for auction? Or is it a bunch of aftermarket parts put on a genuine case that was so beat up it was polished to look clean and shiny? And if it was so beat up, why doesn't the bezel insert which should be original to the case show some signs of wear? It's mint.
It doesn't pass my rot check. If that case was mint with razor lines and perfect polish and brushed edges; then I'd feel better.
It's just that many are so convincingly faked, that I don't feel comfortable.
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Post by suntzu on Apr 29, 2020 9:30:31 GMT -8
What do ya'll think? the text looks a little big to me... Maybe just the seller photos Good catch. I'm thinking the exact same thing. It looks like it was highlighted in MS Word and then bumped up two sizes Also, there's some patina on the hands and day/date window but the dial is perfect? Not a hint of something? For me, if you're asking the question, I think you know the answer. You want it cause it's awesome, but it's gonna irk you whether or not it's been repainted. I'm on the fence and because of that, I'd pass. They aren't too rare so they'll pop up now and again.
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Post by Solotov on Apr 29, 2020 10:10:12 GMT -8
Also, there's some patina on the hands and day/date window but the dial is perfect? Not a hint of something? For me, if you're asking the question, I think you know the answer. You want it cause it's awesome, but it's gonna irk you whether or not it's been repainted. I'm on the fence and because of that, I'd pass. They aren't too rare so they'll pop up now and again. I guess we'll find out in a couple days 😬 Hadn't bought a new watch in a little bit, couldn't help myself
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Post by suntzu on Apr 29, 2020 10:31:58 GMT -8
Also, there's some patina on the hands and day/date window but the dial is perfect? Not a hint of something? For me, if you're asking the question, I think you know the answer. You want it cause it's awesome, but it's gonna irk you whether or not it's been repainted. I'm on the fence and because of that, I'd pass. They aren't too rare so they'll pop up now and again. I guess we'll find out in a couple days 😬 Hadn't bought a new watch in a little bit, couldn't help myself
That's great! Too funny. Enjoy it brother.
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Post by tomw86 on May 3, 2020 11:15:50 GMT -8
Any thoughts?: I think it all looks legit, I've messaged the seller who says that both chrono's reset to 12 so I've put my money on the table and am keeping my fingers crossed but what do the experts say? **Edit I know the bracelet is not original 😉
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Post by Senpai on May 5, 2020 15:02:55 GMT -8
I’m trying to learn a bit more about the Pogue, to identify aftermarket parts. What I think this is: aftermarket dial (subdial, pointy A) and rotatating ring (lume plot missing) Genuine case and bezel. Should never be a Proof dial on a late (’77) Resist case. Wrong bracelet. What do you guys think?
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Post by scubarob99 on May 5, 2020 16:38:31 GMT -8
I’m trying to learn a bit more about the Pogue, to identify aftermarket parts. What I think this is: aftermarket dial (subdial, pointy A) and rotatating ring (lume plot missing) Genuine case and bezel. Should never be a Proof dial on a late (’77) Resist case. Wrong bracelet. What do you guys think? Let's not forget the hands... Rob
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Post by loniscup on May 7, 2020 6:47:49 GMT -8
I’m trying to learn a bit more about the Pogue, to identify aftermarket parts. What I think this is: aftermarket dial (subdial, pointy A) and rotatating ring (lume plot missing) Genuine case and bezel. Should never be a Proof dial on a late (’77) Resist case. Wrong bracelet. What do you guys think? How can you tell the bezel is original and not aftermarket?
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Post by dutchman72 on May 15, 2020 0:01:47 GMT -8
I have recently cone very close (twice) to buying a King and Grand Seiko only to realise they both had incorrect model parts in them. The King had the wrong rotor (pity as it is a beautiful watch) and the Grand had the wrong dial/hands. I did actually purchase the Grand, but spotted the problem before the seller post to me. They have since refunded my money. I’m now quite weary and see problems everywhere, but I’m not giving up. The next watch to sparkle and catch my eye has pointy ‘A’s on a ‘T’ dial and the medallion looks too good, should I give it a miss. It too is a lovely looking piece.
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Post by japroe on May 21, 2020 5:20:24 GMT -8
Hoping to get some second opinions on this 6306 I’ve been keeping an eye on. Biggest point of concern is the date window, it appears just ‘slightly’ beveled in the first photo but not in the second. Am I correct here? Aftermarket dial? Derek
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Post by japroe on May 21, 2020 5:21:00 GMT -8
Missed the second photo
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Post by seiko2019 on May 21, 2020 6:02:50 GMT -8
Hoping to get some second opinions on this 6306 I’ve been keeping an eye on. Biggest point of concern is the date window, it appears just ‘slightly’ beveled in the first photo but not in the second. Am I correct here? Aftermarket dial? Derek The resolution of the pictures is not that great so the bevel around the date window is not clear but it's there. The font on the dial looks correct and the placement of the six o'clock hour marker relative to the dial code below looks good. The dial looks authentic to me as does the bezel and correct large spline crown.
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Post by frenchtreasure on May 21, 2020 23:02:30 GMT -8
KakumeThis one turned up on ebay today. I actually own a JDM Kakume - it might be my very favorite watch to wear. Mine is a 5 Sports Speedtimer with Kanji day display and straight hands - which I think is the predominant (or only?) variation for JDM. I haven't seen this combination of Kanji day and arrow hands - it looks like a combination of JDM and overseas market variations? I may be wrong and it could be totally legit. What do the gurus here say? I saw this last night. It's an international example. Correct arrow hands, correct orange hands, corrected frosted sub dials with yellow text, correct black day date framing, correct lume plots. In fact, it looks too correct! Like it's been in a time capsule.
BUT, what concerns me is that the case is polished to shit. It's in awful shape. Begs the question, if the watch is perfect; why was the case polished to hell? Was it some dope on a polishing wheel cleaning it up for auction? Or is it a bunch of aftermarket parts put on a genuine case that was so beat up it was polished to look clean and shiny? And if it was so beat up, why doesn't the bezel insert which should be original to the case show some signs of wear? It's mint.
It doesn't pass my rot check. If that case was mint with razor lines and perfect polish and brushed edges; then I'd feel better.
It's just that many are so convincingly faked, that I don't feel comfortable.
I don't remember seeing international Kakume's with Kanji days, perhaps the calendar has been replaced at some point. Also, the bezel does not look correct with yellowish font, does it? This may explain why the case is so heavily polished: the watch initially had a lot of dings and a scratches bezel. Case was polished to hell and bezel replaced by aftermarket.
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Post by scubarob99 on May 22, 2020 2:07:52 GMT -8
Hoping to get some second opinions on this 6306 I’ve been keeping an eye on. Biggest point of concern is the date window, it appears just ‘slightly’ beveled in the first photo but not in the second. Am I correct here? Aftermarket dial? Derek The resolution of the pictures is not that great so the bevel around the date window is not clear but it's there. The font on the dial looks correct and the placement of the six o'clock hour marker relative to the dial code below looks good. The dial looks authentic to me as does the bezel and correct large spline crown. Everything looks legit on this one. Rob
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Post by jbrentd on May 25, 2020 19:58:03 GMT -8
Anyone care to weigh in on this one? I plan to give it a good cleaning, new gaskets, crystal and maybe an aftermarket rotating ring.
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Post by japroe on May 29, 2020 4:38:14 GMT -8
Thoughts on this 6306? I know it isn’t a head on picture which has me a little concerned but from what I can tell the bevel, ‘As’, 5, and Lume seem to check out. Only concern is the hands almost look a different color than the rest of the dial but it’s tough to tell without a head on shot. Thanks, Derek
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Post by scubarob99 on May 29, 2020 10:22:18 GMT -8
The hands very often age at a different rate, not impossible to see unaffected hands with a dial that has a bit of patina. Is it a bit of a shadow or a bit of lume degradation along the edges?
Rob
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Post by japroe on May 29, 2020 16:01:48 GMT -8
Great question to me it looks like a bit of lume degradation
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Post by manicmunnday on Jun 15, 2020 1:10:55 GMT -8
Hi folks, This is my first post here and I'm looking for a bit of expert advice I was really stoked to get my hands on a 'Bruce Lee' 6139-7010 and, to my untrained eye, it looks original and in good condition, minus scratches to the crystal. Can anyone more learned than myself confirm if it looks legit and all original? Thanks in advance
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Post by datilderek on Jun 24, 2020 6:23:58 GMT -8
Not really an inquiry, but pointing out this obvious Feiko. I would like to see the case back and clasp on this watch.
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