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Post by maj0rd0m0 on Dec 26, 2023 5:48:55 GMT -8
Hello Wrist Sushi!
This my second post and hope I'm doing it right.
I am looking to buy a good divers watch to use for everyday desk- and actual diving. Recently I saw an ad for a second hand Seiko SBCM025 and would love to hear what you guys think. Is the condition ok / genuine (manageable with service)? It is sold without papers/box and has a "misprint" at 15min mark on the bezel.
On a sidenote, is the Seiko SBCM025 a good divers watch? Can I count on it for daily use for many years (+25 years) if I keep it regularly serviced?
Any input appreciated!
Sellers images:
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Post by scubarob99 on Dec 26, 2023 8:02:02 GMT -8
maj0rd0m0 I think I'd be looking at an auto over the quartz. The perpetual quartz movements are notoriously finicky. If you're looking at longevity- auto is the way to go, and worst case scenario, a Seiko auto movement will always be easy to source Just my 2 cents Rob
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Post by maj0rd0m0 on Dec 26, 2023 8:56:44 GMT -8
Thanks for your input scubarob99 ! Some backstory to my choice: I had an SKX009 (bought new from Amazon) that I loved dearly but because I am a time optimist I always arrive to meetings etc w only 10 to 30 seconds to spare. One day my SKX lost 5 minutes over night and I arrived late to an important meeting. I felt like such an idiot and lost all my trust for the 7S26 (the specs of the NH36 movement does not win my confidence enough to attempt a mod, but I still love the SKX aesthetic). Right or wrong, I sold my SKX009 that same night. Have worn watches my whole life and quartz has never failed me. I wish my SKX was more reliable. Like less reliable? Or just difficult to set (wouldn't it only be a once-per-battery-change-issue, and can be handled by the Seiko service center)? Or is it an issue during travel with time zones etc?
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Post by scubarob99 on Dec 26, 2023 10:01:25 GMT -8
Thanks for your input scubarob99 ! Some backstory to my choice: I had an SKX009 (bought new from Amazon) that I loved dearly but because I am a time optimist I always arrive to meetings etc w only 10 to 30 seconds to spare. One day my SKX lost 5 minutes over night and I arrived late to an important meeting. I felt like such an idiot and lost all my trust for the 7S26 (the specs of the NH36 movement does not win my confidence enough to attempt a mod, but I still love the SKX aesthetic). Right or wrong, I sold my SKX009 that same night. Have worn watches my whole life and quartz has never failed me. I wish my SKX was more reliable. Like less reliable? Or just difficult to set (wouldn't it only be a once-per-battery-change-issue, and can be handled by the Seiko service center)? Or is it an issue during travel with time zones etc?
Battery change is not much of an issue, you have a 10 year one in there. The perpetual complication is a pain to set- you short the battery a certain amounts of time to set day, month, year, leap year It's that complication that makes for a very delicate movement that's not easy to source if something goes wrong Rob
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Post by maj0rd0m0 on Dec 26, 2023 10:51:20 GMT -8
Right, will try to have the Seiko service center do it.
Btw, does the SBCM025 watch in the images I attached above look genuine to you scubarob99 ?
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Post by scubarob99 on Dec 26, 2023 12:10:29 GMT -8
Right, will try to have the Seiko service center do it.
Btw, does the SBCM025 watch in the images I attached above look genuine to you scubarob99 ? It does. It's not a popular enough watch to be faked. Rob
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Post by maj0rd0m0 on Dec 26, 2023 12:23:25 GMT -8
Right, will try to have the Seiko service center do it.
Btw, does the SBCM025 watch in the images I attached above look genuine to you scubarob99 ? It does. It's not a popular enough watch to be faked. Rob Good point, and thanks for all your input!
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Post by Fergus on Jan 3, 2024 3:42:09 GMT -8
Be careful with the Pogue currently listed by Steptoe's boy (ebay UK). I believe the dial and caseback do not conform to the same year. The caseback is 71 yet dial spec appears later than 73 (no 70M at 9) or it may even be AM. The seller is not replying to my messages for closer pics of both.
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Post by saldog on Jan 3, 2024 13:21:58 GMT -8
Be careful with the Pogue currently listed by Steptoe's boy (ebay UK). I believe the dial and caseback do not conform to the same year. The caseback is 71 yet dial spec appears later than 73 (no 70M at 9) or it may even be AM. The seller is not replying to my messages for closer pics of both. Don, I can't see the listing you are referring to, but I just would like to learn. Are you talking about a -6002? I was not aware of the date that no text at 9 began to appear. I have a -6005 dial with no text and it has "27" stamped on it. Is it different for the 6005 vs 6002? Or does it depend on the dial code? For what it's worth anyway, here's a pic of a dial with no text from mid-1972.
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Post by Fergus on Jan 4, 2024 3:50:46 GMT -8
From online reference data, the 9 o'clock text was being removed on watches manufactured in the latter part of 72. I would call yours about right then.
The watch in question has a caseback date 1971 with no text.
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Post by rainier on Jan 4, 2024 21:29:41 GMT -8
“Resist” text dials for 6139-600X were seen through April ‘72.
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Post by Fergus on Jan 4, 2024 21:39:49 GMT -8
“Resist” text dials for 6139-600X were seen through April ‘72. Most online data is sketchy but mid 71 with no text is too far off IMHO. The seller has still not replied to my request for a closer pic of the dial. I can pick out at least one marker with shiny lume. serial # 16#####
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Post by saldog on Jan 6, 2024 11:22:26 GMT -8
Oh my gosh what a terrible fake this one is. Up at auction and can be viewed through Invaluable.
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Post by rainier on Jan 6, 2024 21:58:37 GMT -8
“Resist” text dials for 6139-600X were seen through April ‘72. Most online data is sketchy but mid 71 with no text is too far off IMHO. The seller has still not replied to my request for a closer pic of the dial. I can pick out at least one marker with shiny lume. serial # 16##### Oh yes - completely agree with your statement, I was confirming that no text dials weren’t seen until mid ‘72 (roughly May ‘72).
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Post by Len on Feb 6, 2024 0:53:14 GMT -8
Help is needed.... I have had this for awhile and I have wondered if this is real or victim of dial transplant, since I seen pictures of this with 2 different dial versions -8040 S and -8050 S. I haven't found any old catalogue shoots. Caseback code: 7019-8020 Dial code: 7019-8050 S
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Post by saldog on Feb 6, 2024 8:31:11 GMT -8
Some Seiko models are highly collected and as such, researched by many people who do write-ups in forums (fora?) like this one. So we have a lot of collective knowledge on those models.
While manufacturer publications, catalogs, brochures, etc., are a great source for validation of certain configurations, they do not represent the total possible variations of a particular model.
So what we have to do is rely on stories from original owners or sometimes even the quantity of a certain configuration “in the wild”.
In your case, I see photos online with that same dial for that model. That is not necessarily proof that it’s legit, but it is evidence in support of it. Sometimes, that’s the best we can get. If the watch were to be torn down, you could get a look at the backside of the dial. It should be stamped with a two digit number that is the same or close to the same as the first two digits of the serial number on the case back. That also would not guarantee authenticity, but it would be further evidence supporting it.
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Post by 7s26 on Mar 12, 2024 6:02:35 GMT -8
What's everyone's thought on this one; any red flags and does it appear unpolished? There is a lot of dirt on the inside of the bezel, not sure if that's easy to clean.
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Post by scubarob99 on Mar 12, 2024 6:05:19 GMT -8
Looks good. Once you pry that bezel off you'll be able to get all that dirt off.
Rob
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Post by 7s26 on Mar 12, 2024 7:11:37 GMT -8
Looks good. Once you pry that bezel off you'll be able to get all that dirt off. Rob Thanks. Luckily it's on the outside. Dial looks clean.
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Post by HiBeat on Mar 12, 2024 11:05:36 GMT -8
Looks good. Once you pry that bezel off you'll be able to get all that dirt off. Rob Thanks. Luckily it's on the outside. Dial looks clean. Not sure if you would want to do this, but a replacement bezel insert from Yobokies is a near perfect reproduction.
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