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Post by scubarob99 on Jan 13, 2016 15:52:18 GMT -8
Looks like a re-lume. Well done though.
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Mr.Jones
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Post by Mr.Jones on Jan 14, 2016 4:34:41 GMT -8
All right, I'll pick it up tonight after work. Anything I should be wary of? Something to watch out for? How does the crown "lock"? Push in and turn in arrow direction?
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Jan 14, 2016 4:45:21 GMT -8
It's a re-lumed dial but looks like a good job. I wouldn't have a problem with it. A groove in the crown locks on to a nub on the case. It's pretty crude and doesn't work that well. The round nub is actually a metal pin. The round cutout on the crown locks in there. It's really just an attempt to prevent it turning while under water. So I wouldn't consider it more than "dip in the sink" proof. All right, I'll pick it up tonight after work. Anything I should be wary of? Something to watch out for? How does the crown "lock"? Push in and turn in arrow direction?
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Post by rossr on Jan 14, 2016 4:47:41 GMT -8
Yes, not a screw lock - more a turn until the pin engages and prevents further turning. Often worn out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 12:01:50 GMT -8
It's a re-lumed dial but looks like a good job. I wouldn't have a problem with it. A groove in the crown locks on to a nub on the case. It's pretty crude and doesn't work that well. The round nub is actually a metal pin. The round cutout on the crown locks in there. It's really just an attempt to prevent it turning while under water. So I wouldn't consider it more than "dip in the sink" proof. All right, I'll pick it up tonight after work. Anything I should be wary of? Something to watch out for? How does the crown "lock"? Push in and turn in arrow direction? When new; these and the 6309 divers were WR to their stated depth. The WR has nothing to do with how the crown functions but rather the gasket inside the crowns. In both cases, the gasket seals out water by it's contact with the outside of the stem tube. It makes no difference whether the crown is pushed in/locked or screwed down. As you point out, this is simple done to avoid accidental changing of the time. After 30 to 40 years; even with new crown gaskets, I doubt that most would pass any significant WR tests.
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Post by Mr.Jones on Jan 14, 2016 13:32:12 GMT -8
Thanks for moving the thread. It's here and I just took a quick snapshot of it - more pictures to follow in a thread near you.
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Post by Groundhog66 on Jan 14, 2016 13:39:47 GMT -8
I just can't get past a noticeably relumed dial, I'd rather have a bit of wabi.
That said, it is a decent piece...and you will definitely enjoy it!
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Post by Rod on Jan 14, 2016 20:09:30 GMT -8
The dial has been relumed and cleaned, note the worn "japan" and dial code on the bottom of the dial.
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Post by seikosthlm on Jan 14, 2016 23:45:04 GMT -8
Thanks for moving the thread. It's here and I just took a quick snapshot of it - more pictures to follow in a thread near you. A steal for that price even with relume. Very nice!
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Post by Mr.Jones on Jan 15, 2016 0:28:28 GMT -8
As the seller told me, it's not relumed, simply cleaned up in the lume wells. That might explain the rough finish on the markers. Still has some little stains and glows only very faintly. The hands are most likely relumed though - they glow a good bit longer than the markers. A better example of hands than a lot I've seen, however. Dial has been cleaned. Looks very good, though. And seeing, that I only paid 750 Euros in the end (no ebay fees) - I think I did good Edit: And the dial text looks good - it's just the crappy photo:
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Post by Groundhog66 on Jan 15, 2016 5:40:48 GMT -8
Ah, yeah...it looks much better in that pic.
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Post by cd_god on Jan 17, 2016 19:24:59 GMT -8
The hands look AM to me, and I'm not sold on the bezel insert. It looks like an artificially aged one to me. The pip is off center in a strange way and the triangle does not seem to come down far enough. Good eye; I missed that My bought from the original owner 6306 has an off center and missing lume dot pip when I got it. (hard to see in pics but it is there) I will say someone was in there at least once in the 25 years before I got it from the original owner as the bezel o-ring was missing and had putty there to keep the rotation firm.
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Post by Rod on Jan 19, 2016 5:59:09 GMT -8
As the seller told me, it's not relumed, simply cleaned up in the lume wells. That might explain the rough finish on the markers. Still has some little stains and glows only very faintly. The hands are most likely relumed though - they glow a good bit longer than the markers. A better example of hands than a lot I've seen, however. Dial has been cleaned. Looks very good, though. And seeing, that I only paid 750 Euros in the end (no ebay fees) - I think I did good Edit: And the dial text looks good - it's just the crappy photo: That looks much better!
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Post by Thomas on Jan 20, 2016 7:28:44 GMT -8
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Post by west.au on Jan 20, 2016 7:58:30 GMT -8
OK, not professing any expert level here ... but one thing I have noticed about seiko dials are there ability to state a colour or shade correctly. the black on that dial looks flat/matt ... I start to wonder if the dial is AM and I have just looked at a heap of dials on google ... and borrowed a pic from 62MAS blogspot and it illustrates what I mean - notice how the black looks richer and slightly satin ... I realise that different cameras/light level etc can alter a pic, but I am still of the opinion that the dial is a bit off ...
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Post by Mr.Jones on Jan 20, 2016 9:32:56 GMT -8
So how about this one? Rare model? Cannot find the dial number on that one. Maybe on the caseback...? Oh, no - the model number is no longer readable! What an unfortunate coincidence! So - what do you think? Dr. Frankenstein at work? Seller: Fair Collection Pro | Trusted Seller since 2012 on chrono24.com And yes - from India.
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Post by west.au on Jan 21, 2016 2:53:24 GMT -8
So how about this one? Rare model? Cannot find the dial number on that one. Maybe on the caseback...? Oh, no - the model number is no longer readable! What an unfortunate coincidence! So - what do you think? Dr. Frankenstein at work? Seller: Fair Collection Pro | Trusted Seller since 2012 on chrono24.com And yes - from India. The seller's comment section is priceless ... (1) in part they cover "AUTHENTIC" twice !!! (umm ... 5 times) - AUTHENTIC : ALL WATCHES DISPLAYED ARE AUTHENTIC AND ORIGINAL - AUTHENTIC : We Only Sell Genuine Authentic Watches & we guarantee our Watches to be AUTHENTIC. Now you can't dispute that's an authentic argument ... its a real pity that the watch isn't original, genuine or authentic ... sheesh (2) The other classic is: - THE DIAL BEAUTIFUL REPAINTED DIAL . - SIGN SEIKO SIGNED ON THE DIAL, But you just admitted you repainted it
And finally its graded as "Condition 2 (fine)" It can be yours for $299 But, on a more serious note ... you rightly point out that there is one simple check, and that is a legitimate dial code/caseback model number ... and that is a hint that things maybe be not as they seem, and that rare ... may actually mean "Bombay Bob's Boutique - Exclusive watches just for you"
Oh, and finally I love it when you 'search google for image' ... and it's the only one you find (and I think we all use this function when we have a hunch or two)
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Post by Thomas on Jan 21, 2016 7:35:19 GMT -8
"seikocitizencollector" is selling a 1974 6105-8110 on the 'bay, and says "I believe this is entirely original except for the strap..." I have doubts... - Thomas Oh great, my post got moved here, where it was almost completely ignored! I'm glad I posted this over at TOF, I got lots of help there! - Thomas
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Post by Groundhog66 on Jan 21, 2016 8:13:19 GMT -8
"seikocitizencollector" is selling a 1974 6105-8110 on the 'bay, and says "I believe this is entirely original except for the strap..." I have doubts... - Thomas Oh great, my post got moved here, where it was almost completely ignored! I'm glad I posted this over at TOF, I got lots of help there! - Thomas We are trying something new here, sorry it did not work to your satisfaction. Regardless, I'm glad to hear you got your answers somewhere.
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Post by west.au on Jan 22, 2016 3:20:26 GMT -8
So this 7006 8030 has been listed from the Philippines (I know ... 1st alarm, right) the seller admits to a re-finished case, a new bezel insert (which is brutally shaved and looks naff) & a new crystal. But its the re-finished case that gets me interested, is it refinished or reproduction? The case (especially the back) just seems too clean?
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