ausimax
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Post by ausimax on Jun 21, 2016 21:26:10 GMT -8
I bought a 5606-5100 that the seller claimed as working, well it is it runs and keeps time, however a check discovered that the day/date quickset doesn't work neither does the manual wind capability.
Doing the research I should have done before purchase I discovered that the day/ date corrector wheel problem is endemic to this calibre, reading an old post on SCWF on the subject Adrian seemed to have success gluing the split wheel together, has there been any further developments on a fix for this problem?
I haven't started to strip the watch yet that is for another day I have enough watches in bits at present without another one, these days I seem to specialise in buying "orphan" watches that require more time spent looking for parts than actually working.
The villain in question!
Photobucket won't open so will try for pic's later.
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Adrian-VTA
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Jun 21, 2016 23:31:54 GMT -8
We have a small team working on it. We've tried a number of things but the next step is to source some third party manufacturing of a brass part. I can fix them for you if you want, but you won't have the safety system, so you won't be able to set the day/date between 9pm and 3am. To fix these well, they need to be staked apart and the plastic part bonded to the wheel underneath. As for the hand winding....could be a bunch of things. Possibly just the yoke has slipped or something? I bought a 5606-5100 that the seller claimed as working, well it is it runs and keeps time, however a check discovered that the day/date quickset doesn't work neither does the manual wind capability. Doing the research I should have done before purchase I discovered that the day/ date corrector wheel problem is endemic to this calibre, reading an old post on SCWF on the subject Adrian seemed to have success gluing the split wheel together, has there been any further developments on a fix for this problem? I haven't started to strip the watch yet that is for another day I have enough watches in bits at present without another one, these days I seem to specialise in buying "orphan" watches that require more time spent looking for parts than actually working. The villain in question! Photobucket won't open so will try for pic's later. |
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cobrajet25
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Post by cobrajet25 on Jun 22, 2016 0:00:05 GMT -8
We have a small team working on it. We've tried a number of things but the next step is to source some third party manufacturing of a brass part. I can fix them for you if you want, but you won't have the safety system, so you won't be able to set the day/date between 9pm and 3am. To fix these well, they need to be staked apart and the plastic part bonded to the wheel underneath. As for the hand winding....could be a bunch of things. Possibly just the yoke has slipped or something? I bought a 5606-5100 that the seller claimed as working, well it is it runs and keeps time, however a check discovered that the day/date quickset doesn't work neither does the manual wind capability. Doing the research I should have done before purchase I discovered that the day/ date corrector wheel problem is endemic to this calibre, reading an old post on SCWF on the subject Adrian seemed to have success gluing the split wheel together, has there been any further developments on a fix for this problem? I haven't started to strip the watch yet that is for another day I have enough watches in bits at present without another one, these days I seem to specialise in buying "orphan" watches that require more time spent looking for parts than actually working. The villain in question! Photobucket won't open so will try for pic's later. Good stuff, Adrian. The last 5606 that I had which would not hand wind had an intermediate winding wheel that was missing some teeth. Check the big gear next to the mainspring for damage. EDIT: Here is that movement. Note the broken teeth.  |
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ausimax
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Post by ausimax on Jun 22, 2016 5:49:53 GMT -8
We have a small team working on it. We've tried a number of things but the next step is to source some third party manufacturing of a brass part. I can fix them for you if you want, but you won't have the safety system, so you won't be able to set the day/date between 9pm and 3am. To fix these well, they need to be staked apart and the plastic part bonded to the wheel underneath. As for the hand winding....could be a bunch of things. Possibly just the yoke has slipped or something? Thanks for the reply Adrian, when I get to pulling it down will take you up on the repair, the time restriction doesn't worry me I try to avoid setting any during those times. Seems like something is misplaced with the winding gear, time will reveal all! |
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ausimax
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Post by ausimax on Jun 22, 2016 5:57:33 GMT -8
"Good stuff, Adrian. The last 5606 that I had which would not hand wind had an intermediate winding wheel that was missing some teeth. Check the big gear next to the mainspring for damage.
EDIT: Here is that movement. Note the broken teeth.
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That is some mangled looking gear! Just checked mine and it looks much healthier still has all its teeth, trouble must be in the setting mechanism.
Max
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Post by aaron643 on Jun 24, 2016 11:33:40 GMT -8
I recently found a 5606-5000 at a craft fair for $15. The plan was to open her up and play around but I could not even get the inner steel case open to see the movement. It hand winds and the second hand runs but the minute hand doesn't move and yes the quickset doesn't work.
Still deciding whether I should try and get it fixed somewhere. One guy I took it to said he cannot get parts for it.
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Adrian-VTA
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Jun 24, 2016 17:46:14 GMT -8
Loose cannon pinion or a loose hand most likely, both are easy fixes. I recently found a 5606-5000 at a craft fair for $15. The plan was to open her up and play around but I could not even get the inner steel case open to see the movement. It hand winds and the second hand runs but the minute hand doesn't move and yes the quickset doesn't work. Still deciding whether I should try and get it fixed somewhere. One guy I took it to said he cannot get parts for it. |
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Post by aaron643 on Jun 25, 2016 12:14:36 GMT -8
Loose cannon pinion or a loose hand most likely, both are easy fixes. I recently found a 5606-5000 at a craft fair for $15. The plan was to open her up and play around but I could not even get the inner steel case open to see the movement. It hand winds and the second hand runs but the minute hand doesn't move and yes the quickset doesn't work. Still deciding whether I should try and get it fixed somewhere. One guy I took it to said he cannot get parts for it. That's good to know. I took it to another guy and he said the same thing regarding the day/date wheel but I asked if the watch itself can be made running. I'll probably hear back next week. |
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Adrian-VTA
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Jun 25, 2016 17:57:12 GMT -8
They're a great movement, barely anything goes wrong with them. If they didn't have the day/date fault, I'd say the best SEIKO has made. My list goes like this - 1. SEIKO 7 series including chronographs (award for reliability, flexibility and simplicity) 2. SEIKO 4006 Bell-Matic (accuracy, reliability, build quality) 3. SEIKO 56 and 52 series KS/GS/LM (accuracy, simplicity and build quality) Loose cannon pinion or a loose hand most likely, both are easy fixes. That's good to know. I took it to another guy and he said the same thing regarding the day/date wheel but I asked if the watch itself can be made running. I'll probably hear back next week. |
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ausimax
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Post by ausimax on Jun 25, 2016 18:03:52 GMT -8
Further to OP, contacted the seller regarding the unstated problems and seller agreed to a 25% refund, that eases the pain a bit.
Will only know the full story when I get around to restoring it at some future date.
Max
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Post by aaron643 on Jun 25, 2016 21:05:29 GMT -8
That's good. Hope the restoration goes well. I'm still waiting on a refund after a seller canceled my winning bid. Further to OP, contacted the seller regarding the unstated problems and seller agreed to a 25% refund, that eases the pain a bit. Will only know the full story when I get around to restoring it at some future date. Max |
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ausimax
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Post by ausimax on Jul 22, 2016 23:31:43 GMT -8
Finally got around to pulling it down, sure enough the day/date setting wheel is split will have to try the glue trick.
Found the reason for it not hand winding the winding pinion was split in half, so on the hunt for one of those Part no 283560. Every thing else looks OK though I haven't cleaned or inspected it yet, fingers crossed.
Max
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Adrian-VTA
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Jul 23, 2016 0:24:44 GMT -8
Got one here for you. Finally got around to pulling it down, sure enough the day/date setting wheel is split will have to try the glue trick. Found the reason for it not hand winding the winding pinion was split in half, so on the hunt for one of those Part no 283560. Every thing else looks OK though I haven't cleaned or inspected it yet, fingers crossed. Max |
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ausimax
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Post by ausimax on Jul 23, 2016 4:40:14 GMT -8
Thanks Adrian that is great, could get one from Malta but postage is twice the cost of the part, Just hold fast for a day or two until I get the rest of it checked out just in case there are other problems
Max
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