An Incomplete History of Seiko 6217-800X Prices-Updated
Dec 7, 2016 3:47:54 GMT -8
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Post by rossr on Dec 7, 2016 3:47:54 GMT -8
Updated charts later in the thread.
Hello all. I thought that this might be of interest to a number of forum members. There has been much talk about the escalation in prices of vintage watches and the declining availability of certain sought-after models. I had a quick look at this using the data that was immediately available to me.
I looked at the Seiko 62MAS - the 6217-8000 and 6217-8001 models - as I have had an interest in these for some years, and as it is a watch of interest to the community. It is also a model for which the information at hand is not overwhelmingly large, and for which the information sought had a chance of being of reasonable quality.
I used data from the sales forum in the current SCWF (The Watch Site), and the old Network 54 SCWF site. I didn't use other sites to avoid trying to sort out possible duplication. I also had some bits and pieces of information from EBay. My data from EBay is quite piecemeal, as I only had information for watches that I had placed on a watch list - there were long periods of time when I was not looking at watches, and so many, many pieces would have just sailed on by. The links in the emailed alerts I had from these watched items were dead in quite a number of instances, and so all in all, it forms a very incomplete record. However, it does contribute data to the direction of the prices. Something funny was happening with the EBay currency conversions, so for the most part I converted Australian, Canadian, British and Euro currencies to USD using the relevant daily forex.
I tried to collate as much data as I could from each sales record - serial number, watch condition, general comments, and sales price. The forum-sourced prices are the asking prices - if there was downward negotiation in the buying process, obviously, this information was not available. Some items originally for sale at a published price were withdrawn by the seller, so I disregarded the asking price for these. In some instances, I did record the serial number if it was available, as that was of some interest to me. Thus the number of items with serial numbers (168), does not match the number of items with a price record (163).
The data covers the 14 year period 2003 to 2016. It certainly shows a trend of rising prices. Some of the very high prices in 2016 came from a couple of good pieces, bought by a single buyer, one piece of which was flipped for an even higher price. Perhaps I should knock out the high outliers. Maybe I'll try and add my interpretation of the data in an update.
The serial numbers are often not stated in the sales notice, or often have some of the serial numbers blacked out. It is interesting that of the items with a serial number (showing manufacture date), the data is dominated by pieces with a 1967 manufacture date. Pieces manufactured in 1965 and 1966 were far less common.
The summary:
By data source;
By condition;
And a bit more:
Month and year of manufacture;
Discussion and comments welcomed.
Regards,
Ross
Note. I've added a couple of things to the original post rather than have a procession of new charts with minor changes.
Hello all. I thought that this might be of interest to a number of forum members. There has been much talk about the escalation in prices of vintage watches and the declining availability of certain sought-after models. I had a quick look at this using the data that was immediately available to me.
I looked at the Seiko 62MAS - the 6217-8000 and 6217-8001 models - as I have had an interest in these for some years, and as it is a watch of interest to the community. It is also a model for which the information at hand is not overwhelmingly large, and for which the information sought had a chance of being of reasonable quality.
I used data from the sales forum in the current SCWF (The Watch Site), and the old Network 54 SCWF site. I didn't use other sites to avoid trying to sort out possible duplication. I also had some bits and pieces of information from EBay. My data from EBay is quite piecemeal, as I only had information for watches that I had placed on a watch list - there were long periods of time when I was not looking at watches, and so many, many pieces would have just sailed on by. The links in the emailed alerts I had from these watched items were dead in quite a number of instances, and so all in all, it forms a very incomplete record. However, it does contribute data to the direction of the prices. Something funny was happening with the EBay currency conversions, so for the most part I converted Australian, Canadian, British and Euro currencies to USD using the relevant daily forex.
I tried to collate as much data as I could from each sales record - serial number, watch condition, general comments, and sales price. The forum-sourced prices are the asking prices - if there was downward negotiation in the buying process, obviously, this information was not available. Some items originally for sale at a published price were withdrawn by the seller, so I disregarded the asking price for these. In some instances, I did record the serial number if it was available, as that was of some interest to me. Thus the number of items with serial numbers (168), does not match the number of items with a price record (163).
The data covers the 14 year period 2003 to 2016. It certainly shows a trend of rising prices. Some of the very high prices in 2016 came from a couple of good pieces, bought by a single buyer, one piece of which was flipped for an even higher price. Perhaps I should knock out the high outliers. Maybe I'll try and add my interpretation of the data in an update.
The serial numbers are often not stated in the sales notice, or often have some of the serial numbers blacked out. It is interesting that of the items with a serial number (showing manufacture date), the data is dominated by pieces with a 1967 manufacture date. Pieces manufactured in 1965 and 1966 were far less common.
The summary:
By data source;
By condition;
And a bit more:
Month and year of manufacture;
Discussion and comments welcomed.
Regards,
Ross
Note. I've added a couple of things to the original post rather than have a procession of new charts with minor changes.
