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Post by DAHASCO on Feb 22, 2018 12:47:33 GMT -8
How many Yellow dialed 6139's went in to Space ?
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Post by GuyJ on Feb 22, 2018 13:28:36 GMT -8
1.
Or... All of them?
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Post by DAHASCO on Feb 22, 2018 13:53:29 GMT -8
1 Correct Guy, How many 7A's with a yellow dial went into space ?
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Post by rogart on Feb 22, 2018 14:22:28 GMT -8
I almost sent one into space yesterday. Does that count? Chronograph wheel is orbit.
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Post by GuyJ on Feb 22, 2018 14:33:56 GMT -8
Lol Roger. I think all or the 7A28s went to space. Do I get points? Can I write a Hodinkee article now? I'd say none went, but did James Bond wear one?  |
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Post by DAHASCO on Feb 22, 2018 14:35:08 GMT -8
I almost sent one into space yesterday. Does that count? Chronograph wheel is orbit. Ha Ha That is a good one, I hope you found it. But serious, The misrepresentation of Names in the watch world are ridiculous and childish, If one can not represent the watch in question with it's own individual properties, They do not know what they speak of. There are case codes and movement codes that should be adhered to for proper identification. |
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Post by cobrajet25 on Feb 22, 2018 14:44:19 GMT -8
How many H558s did Arnold Schwarzenegger actually wear? How many Rolex chronographs of a very specific reference did Paul Newman wear?
Like it or not...and I mostly don't...but watch nicknames will always be a thing. A certain model of 6139 being smuggled into space by an astronaut seems to be one of the better origins for a watch nickname, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 14:45:44 GMT -8
I almost sent one into space yesterday. Does that count? Chronograph wheel is orbit. Ha Ha That is a good one, I hope you found it. But serious, The misrepresentation of Names in the watch world are ridiculous and childish, If one can not represent the watch in question with it's own individual properties, They do not know what they speak of. There are case codes and movement codes that should be adhered to for proper identification. Do you mean silly as in Quartz Bell-Matic?  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 14:54:50 GMT -8
How many H558s did Arnold Schwarzenegger actually wear? How many Rolex chronographs of a very specific reference did Paul Newman wear? Like it or not...and I mostly don't...but watch nicknames will always be a thing. A certain model of 6139 being smuggled into space by an astronaut seems to be one of the better origins for a watch nickname, eh? Many nicknames have real associated features with them and have not become bastardized. Examples that come to mind are the Samurai, Stargate, BFK, Sushi Roll and Bullet. Names like Turtle, Pogue and Monster have become so twisted/all encompassing that it is impossible to identify a single model. Best we try and stay away from throwing names at watches or we just add to the confusion. |
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Post by cobrajet25 on Feb 22, 2018 15:06:54 GMT -8
How many H558s did Arnold Schwarzenegger actually wear? How many Rolex chronographs of a very specific reference did Paul Newman wear? Like it or not...and I mostly don't...but watch nicknames will always be a thing. A certain model of 6139 being smuggled into space by an astronaut seems to be one of the better origins for a watch nickname, eh? Many nicknames have real associated features with them and have not become bastardized. Examples that come to mind are the Samurai, Stargate, BFK, Sushi Roll and Bullet. Names like Turtle, Pogue and Monster have become so twisted/all encompassing that it is impossible to identify a single model. Best we try and stay away from throwing names at watches or we just add to the confusion. Agreed. I used to be a card-carrying member of the "Seiko Anti-Nickname Squad" back on the old, OLD forum. I was horrified when "Sumo" was essentially decided upon by committee to refer to the then-new 6R15 divers. I still maintain it should have been called the "Cameltoe". I let my membership lapse out of pure frustration...  As the popularity of these watches has spread, so has the tendency to refer to them by something other than their rather vague model numbers. Let's be honest..."6139" or even "6139-6005" can refer to several different watches that look quite different from each other. Their actual original reference numbers were on paper tags attached to the watch when they were new. Do we really want to start saying "AH003M"?? But say "Pogue" and people generally know which model you are talking about right away. |
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Post by DAHASCO on Feb 22, 2018 15:08:16 GMT -8
It is certainly clear that the Inmates are running the asylum, If one asks a Professional Watchmaker for a Specific part for a 'pogue" The pro will ask for a specific part number for what one seeks for a 6139A/B etc...
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Post by cobrajet25 on Feb 22, 2018 15:14:28 GMT -8
It is certainly clear that the Inmates are running the asylum, If one asks a Professional Watchmaker for a Specific part for a 'pogue" The pro will ask for a specific part number for what one seeks for a 6139A/B etc... True. But it's not "pros" that are buying, selling, and trading them for hundreds (or thousands) of dollars on the internet, is it? |
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Post by DAHASCO on Feb 22, 2018 15:21:26 GMT -8
It is certainly clear that the Inmates are running the asylum, If one asks a Professional Watchmaker for a Specific part for a 'pogue" The pro will ask for a specific part number for what one seeks for a 6139A/B etc... True. But it's not "pros" that are buying, selling, and trading them for hundreds (or thousands) of dollars on the internet, is it? Is It ? |
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Post by tritto on Feb 22, 2018 15:24:07 GMT -8
This battle has been fought and lost. A few years ago everyone was decrying the turtle nickname given to the 6309 7040 by some Philippines sellers, but it caught on in the general community (if not with the vintage purists here) and there's no going back - especially for the new SRPs. I don't use it myself, but everyone knows what it means so it's a handy shorthand term for a bunch of variants.
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Post by pip on Feb 22, 2018 15:24:36 GMT -8
I understand your viewpoint although I disagree with you as I have no issue with it at all, I view it as a convenient label as a lot of people can picture in their heads what I mean if say a Blue Pogue or a 7A28 Pogue. I also add the epithet True Pogue when I mean the one that went into space, or one just like it which I take to be a 6005 and some take to be a 6002 (wrongly in my book, but what-ho). I fear that it may well be that the desire for Pogue-name Purity is already a lost cause and that like Canute on the sand, the tide will not listen. 😀
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Post by meanoldmanning on Feb 22, 2018 15:29:17 GMT -8
I don’t care that much. As Tristan wrote, the battle has been lost.
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Post by Myles on Feb 22, 2018 15:31:01 GMT -8
Is there a nickname for the not-quite-62MAS-reissue? In other words, the cheaper one with the 6R15 movement, not the 8L35-powered limited edition.
As it happens, I'm wearing my Mick Jagger reissue today (a.k.a. Turtle).
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Post by GuyJ on Feb 22, 2018 15:35:37 GMT -8
62MAStake
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Post by Myles on Feb 22, 2018 15:45:11 GMT -8
 I used to work with a guy who was always going on about how great his Mercury Mistake Mystique was. (Ford Mondeo in the UK IIRC).
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Post by cobrajet25 on Feb 22, 2018 15:45:50 GMT -8
It's important to remember just how the "Pogue" got it's nickname.
Back in the day, it was assumed that some model of Sinn was the first automatic chrono in space, having gone up back in the 1980s. A guy who ran a website dedicated to this fact had heard rumors that one astronaut had worn a Seiko into space many years prior to that. He did some digging, and found some pictures in a National Geographic of Col. William Pogue wearing what appeared to be a yellow-dialed 6139 while doing training exercises.
This guy...I think his name was "Bruno"...reached out to Col. Pogue for more information about the watch. He was expecting either no response at all, or a simple "Yeah, that's the watch I had. Now piss off, geek." Instead, the colonel was shockingly generous with information about the watch, providing a long, hand-written letter about what he used it for during the Skylab program, how long he wore it afterward, and what he thought of it. He provided pictures of the watch, and even a scan of the original BX receipt which showed he paid for it in installments. For the nascent Seiko collecting community at the time this was EPIC COOL!
The nickname was applied as a tribute to the man, his service, and his generosity towards a bunch of internet watch geeks. It's one of the few nicknames I don't have a huge problem with.
Now, has this nickname been bastardized by Ebay sellers and other watch wonks over the years? Yep...
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