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Post by earthphase on Jun 28, 2021 6:36:05 GMT -8
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Post by SeikoSoMatic on Jun 28, 2021 6:47:38 GMT -8
No, you're right.
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Post by earthphase on Jun 28, 2021 7:20:24 GMT -8
I discussed it might be a problem with the owner of that shop, Seth, on his Instagram page and he told me without any room for discussion that it was indeed a correct, original dial with "matching production date on back of dial". From following him and his resto work for several years now I have always found him to be very above board.
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Post by SeikoSoMatic on Jun 28, 2021 7:30:16 GMT -8
Well, maybe some experts can chime in, but AFAIK the circles on the subdial have heretofore been regarded as a dead giveaway of an AM dial.
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Post by earthphase on Jun 28, 2021 7:32:52 GMT -8
Well, maybe the experts can chime in, but AFAIK the circles on the subdial have been regarded as a dead giveaway. Agree - that was considered fact by me until this example came up. |
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Post by SeikoPsycho on Jun 28, 2021 13:02:34 GMT -8
I've seen a few original examples with circular rings on the sub dial. They are not as pronounced as the aftermarket dials but they do exist. They are most notable under magnification like in a close up photo.
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Jun 28, 2021 17:57:07 GMT -8
I think it's real.
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Post by HiBeat on Jun 28, 2021 18:06:49 GMT -8
All things considered I lean real but I have reservations. My biggest concern with a T dial is the lack of the 28 and 32 minute markers extending into the subdial. The concentric circles can be genuine these are not the same fake Guilloche attempts we see on the cheap imitations, case in point my silver genuine Pogue dial has them although less pronounced.
What tips me over to 'real' is the mark on the dial. I think it looks like a genuine scratch, not a faked distressed mark.
What also concerns me is the total lack of a red ring in the outer diameter of the subdial.
My verdict: might be real but PASS.
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Jun 29, 2021 3:27:49 GMT -8
Have this on my desk now. It's real. Just doesn't have the lacquer damage that accentuates the machining.  All things considered I lean real but I have reservations. My biggest concern with a T dial is the lack of the 28 and 32 minute markers extending into the subdial. The concentric circles can be genuine these are not the same fake Guilloche attempts we see on the cheap imitations, case in point my silver genuine Pogue dial has them although less pronounced. What tips me over to 'real' is the mark on the dial. I think it looks like a genuine scratch, not a faked distressed mark. What also concerns me is the total lack of a red ring in the outer diameter of the subdial. My verdict: might be real but PASS. |
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Post by scubarob99 on Jun 29, 2021 7:28:41 GMT -8
Have this on my desk now. It's real. Just doesn't have the lacquer damage that accentuates the machining. All things considered I lean real but I have reservations. My biggest concern with a T dial is the lack of the 28 and 32 minute markers extending into the subdial. The concentric circles can be genuine these are not the same fake Guilloche attempts we see on the cheap imitations, case in point my silver genuine Pogue dial has them although less pronounced. What tips me over to 'real' is the mark on the dial. I think it looks like a genuine scratch, not a faked distressed mark. What also concerns me is the total lack of a red ring in the outer diameter of the subdial. My verdict: might be real but PASS. So the OP example is a dial with damaged lacquer subdial, but without the halo? Rob |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2021 16:37:53 GMT -8
Here is a close up of the sub dial on my resist T dial from a 6139-6005. You can see the concentric circles but they are much finer than what you see on an AM dial.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2021 16:39:46 GMT -8
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Post by SeikoSoMatic on Jun 29, 2021 23:05:23 GMT -8
I don't think these concentric lines (having to be magnified that much to even see them) are really comparable to the OP watch.
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Post by earthphase on Jun 30, 2021 7:08:30 GMT -8
I don't think these concentric lines (having to be magnified that much to even see them) are really comparable to the OP watch. agree |
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Post by Senpai on Jun 30, 2021 9:25:24 GMT -8
Well, maybe the experts can chime in, but AFAIK the circles on the subdial have been regarded as a dead giveaway. Agree - that was considered fact by me until this example came up. Seth is the expert. Buy with confidence. |
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Post by earthphase on Jun 30, 2021 12:09:02 GMT -8
Agree - that was considered fact by me until this example came up. Seth is the expert. Buy with confidence. Thank you and in no way is this a question of Seth’s honesty, but a question of an interesting dial that is contrary to many previous beliefs. |
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