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Post by dapellegrini on Dec 11, 2022 18:15:02 GMT -8
Ok, let's do some market research for Seiko...
Let's assume they recreate an amazing, all modern 6139-esque automatic movement and pack it into an equally jaw dropping re-edition of the Pogue case and dial. For argument sake, lets also say this is a non-limited edition like the Omega Speedmaster. Walk into a boutique, drop your cash on the counter, and walk out with your watch.
How much would you (be willing to) pay?
BTW, my guess is they have done this research, and it may be part of the calculation on why we have not seen one... Maybe I'm wrong?
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Post by small on Dec 11, 2022 19:11:56 GMT -8
$5-$7K wouldn't be out of line at all. It would be out of my price range and would have me seeking out an original, if I found I needed one...I do like the Pogue, but there would be other watches ahead of it in that price range if I had the disposable income...
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Post by HiBeat on Dec 11, 2022 20:45:33 GMT -8
Unless the Pogue was powered by a SpringDrive I would not pay much over $4K maybe $5K and if more I'd wait out the pre-owned market.
The 8R48 is a great movement, I had one but flipped it, I still say it is ripe for conversion just re-tool a bit for a single register and turn the orienattion around.
Anywho it's a pipe dream the suits at Seiko have passed over the 50 year anniversary in 2019 and haven't even done up a cheap quartz version when they made the new Prospex "SpeedTimer" without trying to re-issue it, instead just the tachy ring look.
BTW I handled an SSC913 such a great watch on its own merits, but if the Suits wanted a Pogue re-issue why not just eliminate the extra subdials at 9 and 3?
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Post by cobrajet25 on Dec 11, 2022 22:07:20 GMT -8
Depends solely on the fidelity of the Re-Edition.
If it is a nearly 1:1 clone...like the JDM 5Sports Re-Editions of '97-98...then I'd be in for $2500 easily.
But for a watch that is simply 'Pogue-ish' and based on existing off-the-shelf movements? Who knows.
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Post by bertnet on Dec 11, 2022 23:17:20 GMT -8
...only if they made a new thin integrated chronograph, not the 8R who is to thick and without external crown as it should be .for the others parts it will be easier to clone.and only with that I will ok to pay 3.5k to 6k ( with a nice red Speed-timer) but in any case I'm very satisfy about my original one 😉👍🥂
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Post by Aran J on Dec 11, 2022 23:52:54 GMT -8
5K easily for me.
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Post by pip on Dec 12, 2022 5:19:12 GMT -8
How much would the equivalent El Primero be? You are well over $10k there; I was with someone last year when they bought one for £12k which at the time was about $15/16k I guess.
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Post by earthphase on Dec 12, 2022 7:00:06 GMT -8
This is a tough one for me.....
I think I'd prefer to see a solar quartz inside a very faithful design to the original and keep me under $750 retail.
Under $3k I would have to give it a lot of thought. A lot.
At over $3k on a mech I think I am all out, and would rather go all in on an amazing original.
I think....
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Post by ouroboros on Dec 12, 2022 11:18:41 GMT -8
Modern mechanical automatic movement inside a faithful replication of the original and I'd be motivated to open my wallet to dispense $2,500. Any more than that and the priorities change.
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Post by dapellegrini on Dec 12, 2022 16:21:28 GMT -8
I see what the re-editions of the 62MAS go for and realized I don't actually want one that bad. Too many other watches in that price range that speak to me, and at least for me offer more enjoyment (and value) per dollar.
I think that is a good representation of the spot Seiko is stuck in. We all think we want a faithful reproduction - but if we get it at fair market value - most of us then won't buy it. I would think a re-edition 6139 should run at COSC or METAS levels of accuracy - not the +/- 35 seconds standard Seiko spec. It would probably be a LE, and most of us would be looking at secondary market prices at some (likely stupid) multiple of an already high price.
I guess maybe at least we would have one less thing to complain about vis-a-vis Seiko...
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Post by tritto on Dec 12, 2022 17:33:31 GMT -8
Meh, I have a blue Pogue in nice shape. Why do I need a spend multiples of the value of a good vintage example on a modern recreation?
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Post by pip on Dec 13, 2022 14:36:22 GMT -8
Meh, I have a blue Pogue in nice shape. Why do I need a spend multiples of the value of a good vintage example on a modern recreation? I feel the same. When I asked some watch nerd friends who are of the opposite view (talking about Swiss stuff though) they talked about warranty periods, availability of OEM parts, service support from the manufacturer, modern/better materials and tolerances, more dependable water resistance and better power reserve. There was probably more that I have forgotten but you get the jist. I still prefer a good vintage though, it has more soul. |
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Post by cobrajet25 on Dec 14, 2022 4:46:21 GMT -8
Meh, I have a blue Pogue in nice shape. Why do I need a spend multiples of the value of a good vintage example on a modern recreation?
This may well be why Seiko has not pulled the trigger on releasing a truly accurate re-issue of this watch complete with an automatic movement. They know how many they made back in the 1970s, and they know what it would cost to do this watch justice.
Pretty easy to do a re-pop of a 6105 or a 6309, but the 6139 is a whole different ballgame. That being said, 'good vintage examples' aren't as easy to find as they were even ten years ago. Most of what I see on Ebay nowadays is garbage or horribly overpriced.
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