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Post by earthphase on Aug 27, 2023 9:08:28 GMT -8
Hello gang…. I was hoping for some help on a 6138 I’m interested in…. Here are the pics. Please be brutal - tell me what you think.
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Post by earthphase on Aug 27, 2023 9:08:47 GMT -8
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Post by earthphase on Aug 27, 2023 9:10:30 GMT -8
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Post by earthphase on Aug 27, 2023 9:13:15 GMT -8
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bolto
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Post by bolto on Aug 27, 2023 18:54:33 GMT -8
Hi Earthphase, I nearly went mad looking for a genuine one of these given the variations over the model life (early JDM/late JDM, early ROW/late ROW etc.) and the H/M hand / dial combinations. Here's my ROW model from October 1973 as a visual reference. The dials are incredibly hard to photograph under that crystal. I was only sold when I got the owner to de-case the movement for me for some dial macro pics. My lume has aged to an ivory rather than white. My crystal has also been replaced. Your example is in incredible condition overall for its age, with nearly no UV damage to the orange on the sub-registers, but I have found that mobile phone cameras tend to pick up MORE orange than the naked eye does when in hand. If I was you, I'd want some close up dial picks to be able to look at all of the text. With no damage at all to the bezel insert and the case condition, is the seller saying the watch has been refurbished at all? These cases have a very pronounced case edge finish in the circumference that lose their sharp edges edge very easily with refinishing / heavy wear. Do you have some photos of the case from that angle? The dial text combination and H/M handset appears consistent with an early ROW model from 1971. Centre seconds hand is correct and the correct length (it appears to have started to fade from the deep orange they start out as.) The pusher/crown combination appears correct. Movement appears the correct 6138B in very nice condition with no moisture or humidity damage. Interestingly, that bracelet looks like a Stelux design (which I am not sure is 100% correct??). Do you have a picture of the clasp? Mine is on the OEM ROW bracelet with the distinct flat ovoid shaped links and standard Seiko clasp. That's my 2 cent's worth. I am but a mere amateur, so please wait for the experts to chime in. Mark
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cobrajet25
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Post by cobrajet25 on Aug 27, 2023 21:34:49 GMT -8
Looks pretty good. Nothing jumps out as being horribly wrong, but AM parts have gotten really accurate. November of 1971 would be right at the tail end of the 'Water70mResist' dials, but I think it is okay. 'Pencil' hands are correct for '71.
As was mentioned, the bracelet maybe an original Stelux. Would need to see the clasp to know for sure.
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Post by earthphase on Aug 28, 2023 8:01:51 GMT -8
Thank you very much.
Bracelet is Uncle Seiko I believe the seller said.
I’ll post some additional pics.
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Post by earthphase on Aug 28, 2023 8:05:28 GMT -8
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Post by earthphase on Aug 28, 2023 8:05:45 GMT -8
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ouroboros
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Post by ouroboros on Aug 28, 2023 8:27:33 GMT -8
Looks good to me but the bezel insert warrants a closer look. Not a deal breaker, a good thing to know if it's AM or OEM. It looks to be in an almost new condition and the red on it looks almost maroon.
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HiBeat
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Post by HiBeat on Aug 28, 2023 10:59:23 GMT -8
As I understand it this is one of those dials that the AMs are darn good.
I might be the only guy who would say this but if you can't tell if it's AM and you're not running a museum and the price is right go for it !!
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Post by 69ChevelleSS on Aug 28, 2023 11:26:26 GMT -8
I'm no 6138 expert but I do have one that I know is legit. Bought it from Spencer Klein many years ago. My guess is that the dial is AM. I say this because the "O" in the Seiko logo is more oval than round. Mine (and bolto's) look more round and more of a chromed (vs. brushed) finish than the one in question. Also, question on the lume. Does it glow? If so, it's been relumed or is a newer AM. That's not a big deal IMHO as Spencer relumed the dial on mine. That being said, I agree with Jon . . . . if you like it and the price is right for you, then go for it and enjoy it! Here is a pic of mine. Try opening it in a separate tab and zooming in on the logo to see if what I'm saying makes sense. Also, see if you can compare the Suwa symbols. I tried but couldn't because it was too grainy when I opened your pic in a new tab and tried to zoom.
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Post by scubarob99 on Aug 28, 2023 14:56:52 GMT -8
Dude, I believe Rainier is selling this one on the other forum. You're good to go , full speed ahead
Rob
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Post by HiBeat on Aug 28, 2023 15:20:25 GMT -8
Dude, I believe Rainier is selling this one on the other forum. You're good to go , full speed ahead Rob rainier Todd ain't hawking no stinkin' AM
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Post by trilo on Aug 31, 2023 20:47:45 GMT -8
Dude, I believe Rainier is selling this one on the other forum. You're good to go , full speed ahead Rob rainier Todd ain't hawking no stinkin' AM This made laugh so hard for some reason. Sounds like a quote from some movie Sheriff: "You say rainier Todd is the man you are lookin' for? Well (chewing tobacco and spitting)... Ok, you can find him from the Saloon, but remember Son (pointing intensly at the fortune seeker's head) and put into that thick skull of yours, that rainier Todd ain't hawking no stinkin' AM! Fortune seeker (holding his hat from the brim and turning it nervously in his hands): "Yes sir! Thank you sir! But may I ask why should I remember that...?" Sheriff: "Well Son... last time someone argued that the bezel and hands are AM.... heared him say to Todd, "this watch has been tampered with!"... (lights a cigarette, shakes off a burning match and inhales, then blows out the smoke and says:) well... now you can find that miserable sod from there (points toward the town graveyard).
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Post by rainier on Sept 4, 2023 14:31:56 GMT -8
rainier Todd ain't hawking no stinkin' AM This made laugh so hard for some reason. Sounds like a quote from some movie Sheriff: "You say rainier Todd is the man you are lookin' for? Well (chewing tobacco and spitting)... Ok, you can find him from the Saloon, but remember Son (pointing intensly at the fortune seeker's head) and put into that thick skull of yours, that rainier Todd ain't hawking no stinkin' AM! Fortune seeker (holding his hat from the brim and turning it nervously in his hands): "Yes sir! Thank you sir! But may I ask why should I remember that...?" Sheriff: "Well Son... last time someone argued that the bezel and hands are AM.... heared him say to Todd, "this watch has been tampered with!"... (lights a cigarette, shakes off a burning match and inhales, then blows out the smoke and says:) well... now you can find that miserable sod from there (points toward the town graveyard). Guys - I was dying laughing reading this thread, I just stumbled across this - and yes, this is my watch I have up for sale on TOF. I should probably list it here as well scubarob99 and HiBeat thanks for vouching for me in my absence, and it is always better to ask advice from those here and be careful with these before you buy, so many good fakes out there. Rest assured this watch is all original except for the crystal (Spencer's) and bracelet (Uncle). Tom did a case rebuild on this a couple of years ago, still had a piece of case back sticker on it (since fallen-off), it's one of the nicest 6138-001X's I've seen. That dark maroon/root-beer color on the Tachy bezel is what the original color (not washed out by UV) looks like. earthphase - let me know if you have Q's. oh - and here's a close-up of the watch in the sunlight, and yessir, ain't no stinkin' AM on this-un And another shot next to my JDM 0011 - you can see the difference in how a more used example the JDM is next to it. JDM's case and bracelet are worn, but the dial is in nice shape and the colors of the sub-dials are equally as vibrant and not washed out. Todd
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Post by rainier on Sept 12, 2023 19:10:40 GMT -8
Watch is now SOLD
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