Great Pogue Article with new information of great interest !

[HiBeat]

Here is an amazing article that captures a lot of great tidbits around the Seiko 6139-600X "Pogue"

www.beyondthedial.com/post/collector-guide-the-seiko-pogue/

The article even talks about November 16 being "International Pogue Day" - disquished member @ pip  pip literally INVENTED I.P.D. right here on WristSushi !

Here's to you Phil !!

Good Tidbits are around the "T" and "R" dial code manufacturing plants, how the Aussie Pogue came to be, and the fact that Asian distributor Thong Sa owned Stelux, which I then extend to explain while most full provenance Aussie Pogues come on Stelux Chicklets and Presidents. 

T dials were made by Hamazawa Kogyo Co Ltd (became part of Seiko Epson in 1986)
R dials were made by Shokosha Co Ltd (still independent)

I HIGHLY recommend you read this article, I guarantee it is the best Pogue Article I have ever read.

[dapellegrini]

Excellent, thanks for the link.  Great article, but it does seem to end very abruptly and unceremoniously.  Perhaps I was hoping for a recap, or a soft landing.  Instead there is the Aussie Pogue, then full STOP

[Fergus]

Thanks and nice to another reference site with info in one place.

Not sure I understood this though...

The clutch uses a unique type of spring that is very stiff horizontally to grip the fourth wheel without slipping but soft enough vertically to be moved by the chronograph levers to disengage from the fourth wheel when needed.

From my experience and having studied it in length its function is axial. 

I would also have reversed this,

Toshihiko Ohki had to design a clutch that engages and disengages the fourth wheel from the center seconds pinion.

to this,

Toshihiko Ohki had to design a clutch that engages and disengages the center seconds pinion from the fourth wheel.

because the fourth wheel is always running when the movement is wound.

[SeikoPsycho]

It's a good read with some good information but some of the info is incorrect:

"1 - Japan/domestic (usually a case design revision e.g. monocoque to screwback case)" We've always wondered about the XXX1's but Japan Domestic? I don't thing so. Without a 21J movement I highly doubt the XXX1's were Japan domestic models.

"Resist dials used until late 72' ".   Latest Resist dials I've seen were Feb or possibly March 72'.

"2. Water 70m Resist from mid-1970 - late 1972". Slightly off. It should read Mid 69' thru July 70' on 6009's. late 70's thru early 72' on the rest of the models.

"The outer bezels of early watches use a lighter blue than the later versions." This statement is Incorrect. It's exactly the opposite.

"French and UK markets got completely different black hands painted white for some production years." 603X's yes, but for Yellow Dial 6139's, This is incorrect.

"Early ‘resist’ dials might also come in notched cases, but in that case the serial number should indicate 1970 production."  The Only Resist dials in Notched case's were the 6009's from June 69' thru July 70'.

As with all things Seiko there is Always something new to be learned, Always room for revisions, and Always an element of Mystery concerning exact dates when it comes to model changes.............

[Fergus]

Least we forget that over 50 years some (many) have had their dating parts swapped/replaced here, there and everywhere.

[saldog]

Jubilee bracelet? Is that supposed to be what everyone calls the “President”? It would have been nice to show a photo of what was being referred to. Only the chiclet is show for the Aussie and I believe the President is much more common, but Stelux also made H links, right?

[HiBeat]

saldog yes what we call President they call jubilee, what we call president isn't very accurate given the name refers to the Rolex DayDate which looks a lot different.

The Uncle Straps (previously known as Uncle Seiko) President for the Pogue actually looks like a President:

[7s26]

Thanks for sharing. A long time listener of Beyond the Dial podcast.

[pip]

Jan 5, 2024 18:15:57 GMT -8 HiBeat said:

Here is an amazing article that captures a lot of great tidbits around the Seiko 6139-600X "Pogue"

www.beyondthedial.com/post/collector-guide-the-seiko-pogue/

The article even talks about November 16 being "International Pogue Day" - disquished member @ pip  pip literally INVENTED I.P.D. right here on WristSushi !

Here's to you Phil !!

    

Thanks Jon! Not sure I've been called distinguished too often. Old yes, but distinguished... 

For anyone that doesn't know (and would like to know) David Flett is a decent Seiko guy and is the man behind Hudson Vintage Watches on Instagram. He and Allen Farmelo (the chap behind Beyond the Dial also did a multi-part podcast on how a mechanical watch works which is a good and pretty thorough intro to the subject that uses understandable language.