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Post by doomguy10011 on May 22, 2015 12:34:37 GMT -8
Was just browsing the bay and stumbled upon this one. I just wanted to clarify, apart from the hands being wrong/repainted the dial must be aftermarket, right? It's missing the m after 70 and the font looks off in general. Just curious since I never saw an AM dial for this model before.  |
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Post by SeikoPsycho on May 22, 2015 16:22:30 GMT -8
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Post by Adrian-VTA on May 22, 2015 19:06:41 GMT -8
Gee they are getting good, but yeah, that's aftermarket. I wouldn't have picked it if it had the m after 70.
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Post by sundog on May 22, 2015 19:54:07 GMT -8
On the 6139 model isn't a proof dial/resist back a clue something is amiss? |
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Post by cobrajet25 on May 22, 2015 22:46:13 GMT -8
On the 6139 model isn't a proof dial/resist back a clue something is amiss? Not necessarily. Some late 1970 watches have a mismatch from the factory. But that one is a mess. It has an incorrect aftermarket dial. The -6002 case was never a Speed-Timer. |
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Post by doomguy10011 on May 22, 2015 23:18:40 GMT -8
I thought that there was one 6002 Speed-Timer, the bright blue one with the non-teardrop chrono minute hand.  On the 6139 model isn't a proof dial/resist back a clue something is amiss? Not necessarily. Some late 1970 watches have a mismatch from the factory. But that one is a mess. It has an incorrect aftermarket dial. The -6002 case was never a Speed-Timer. |
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Post by cobrajet25 on May 22, 2015 23:48:22 GMT -8
Nope. That there be a -6000, too. This version would be differentiated from the standard 6139-6000 Speed-Timers by it's original reference number, which would have been found on the boxes/tags.
A -6002 should have a "Chronograph Automatic" dial, with dial number 6139-6030T. Most come on the "fishbone" bracelet.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 0:41:56 GMT -8
I thought the same thing about that bright blue dial but nope bert put me straight about this one it's a genuine Seiko just a rare JDM.
There are a lot of fake 6139-600x dials out in blue, yellow and even silver appearing on evilbay at the moment. Most seem to be coming out of Canada but I lay money they are being reproduced in India.
These are getting harder to tell from genuine dials although they do make mistakes. The silk screen process they use to put the details on the dial isn't as precise as Seiko's original method. So the sub dial digits look fat and not as sharp as the originals. Also the metal finish on the sub dial is harsh not tight and precise as on the originals. The tiny dial text at the bottom of the dial tends to be slightly in the wrong place & blurred not sharp as you'd expect. The window around the day/date is either too small and you can see tiny gaps around it's edge or the window frame doesn't have the correct finish. Then the colours are normally off. Some are well out but others are close but no cigar.
They are getting better but there is a big difference in production methods so I still think it will be a while before anyone perfects these errors if at all. They are getting good though as I posted one on here saying it was fake and got shot down. Then the watch was sent to me for a service and I had to break the bad news to it's owner who'd like to remain anonymous.
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Post by 69ChevelleSS on May 23, 2015 14:57:51 GMT -8
To my eye, the font used for the "Sports" just looks wrong.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 16:20:24 GMT -8
You have to know that when the experts quibble that it is either genuine or the best damn AM piece produced  |
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Post by cobrajet25 on May 23, 2015 16:24:22 GMT -8
The dial on the watch in the original post is absolutely, truly, madly deeply FAKE.
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Post by SeikoPsycho on May 23, 2015 17:06:34 GMT -8
The dial on the watch in the original post is absolutely, truly, madly deeply FAKE. No Doubt about it! |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 17:41:01 GMT -8
The dial on the watch in the original post is absolutely, truly, madly deeply FAKE. No Doubt about it! Definitely no quibbling on that point  |
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Post by feca67 on May 24, 2015 7:06:00 GMT -8
It seems to be a copy of the Blue 6139-6000 Speedtimer dial, as that has the same layout of text and logos, including "WATER 70 PROOF" without the 'M'.
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Post by SeikoPsycho on May 24, 2015 13:44:28 GMT -8
It seems to be a copy of the Blue 6139-6000 Speedtimer dial, as that has the same layout of text and logos, including "WATER 70 PROOF" without the 'M'. Same seller also.......... |
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Post by doomguy10011 on May 24, 2015 22:20:40 GMT -8
Interestingly I just noticed that it's only the 603x SpeedTimer that has the 'm' after 70. The 6000 SpeedTimers all seem to be Water 70 Proof, with no 'm'. The non-SpeedTimer proof 6000s do have the 'm'.
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