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Post by Thomas on Oct 3, 2015 18:11:22 GMT -8
 I decided to get this unveiling posted tonight, instead of my WRUW. I'm so far behind in my unveilings, I'll just double on my WRUW post tomorrow.  I managed to get a good price from saitama_jp on a very interesting vintage Grand Seiko a few weeks ago. The watch is in slightly rough condition when you look really closely, but on the wrist it is just gorgeous!!  Here is the nice EMS bag from Japan. The usual shopping bag. No newspaper, and that box looks odd.  Ha! I guess he didn't have a Seiko box for the watch!  Inside the box. The bubble-wrapped bundle. Ooo, we're getting close! There it is, a 1965 Grand Seiko 6245-9000 Diashock Calendar model.  This is the design that the new Seiko GS62 55th Anniversary watch is modeled after, as it was the first automatic Grand Seiko produced. But why own one of those modern copies when you can wear the original!!  I slipped a nice smooth, black leather strap on it, to show you the semi-hidden crown, specifically placed to emphasize that this is not a watch you have to wind!  Here is the other, plain side. You can see the gold lion medallion has seen better days, but I already have a very nice 18K replacement coming from Japan, along with a new acrylic crystal coming from Rob@monsterwatches.nl. And notice this is very unusual in that its production date is November 1965!! These were supposedly not produced until 1966, but this sure seems to be the proper caseback, so mine may one of the very first of these ever made!  And besides the historical significance of the watch, here is the real reason I bought, just look at it on my wrist!! Woohoo! It is AWESOME!  I love the smaller 37mm to 38 mm watches, so this is just perfect! Well, sorry for the slow opening sequence, but I hope you enjoyed these last two pictures! I can't stop looking at the close-up wrist shot, over and over!  Thanks for clicking in! - Thomas
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Post by mikomichael85 on Oct 3, 2015 18:59:42 GMT -8
That's a very fine watch. Congratulations! |
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Post by estrickland on Oct 3, 2015 19:43:32 GMT -8
Congrats on the 62GS!
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Post by Rod on Oct 3, 2015 21:12:35 GMT -8
Just think, that in 1965 this watch was a Seikomatic not a GS and the second most expensive of the listed Seiko's The only year that the GS was out trumped by the Seikomatic in both price and performance |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 2:49:53 GMT -8
Yet another super buy Thomas that is just superb, not that i'm envious at all !!!  |
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Post by Thomas on Oct 4, 2015 4:46:05 GMT -8
And notice this is very unusual in that its production date is November 1965!! These were supposedly not produced until 1966, but this sure seems to be the proper caseback, so mine may one of the very first of these ever made! Well, as someone pointed out, at least the 543rd made!! I wonder why Seiko usually says these were released in 1967, and even scholarly articles say they started in 1966, if they were really made in 1965?  - Thomas |
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Post by mikeyt on Oct 4, 2015 5:00:54 GMT -8
And notice this is very unusual in that its production date is November 1965!! These were supposedly not produced until 1966, but this sure seems to be the proper caseback, so mine may one of the very first of these ever made! Well, as someone pointed out, at least the 543rd made!! I wonder why Seiko usually says these were released in 1967, and even scholarly articles say they started in 1966, if they were really made in 1965? - Thomas Production of 2016 model year cars started months ago. I assume that a watch destined for sale in early 1966 might have been made in 1965. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 5:39:51 GMT -8
My forerunner to your GS, a lil similar in some respects I.M.O. Seiko, Seikomatic, Weekdater, Diashock 35 Jewel from Dec 1964. It says 'Hi Son'   |
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Post by 69ChevelleSS on Oct 4, 2015 11:58:13 GMT -8
Another beauty Thomas . . . . congrats!
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Post by Thomas on Oct 6, 2015 4:24:06 GMT -8
Well, it turns out I am asking to return it for a refund...  Some of the knowledgeable folks on TOF have convinced me it is not "real": Originally Posted by startsomething: I just checked my caseback archive, and the first 624x in there is from July 1965 (lion medaillion). I could be wrong about this - but I thought the 624x-line was introduced in 1965 as Seikomatic Chronometer (with respective dial and -9000 case designation and lion medaillion) and re-branded in Jan 1967 as "GS" ...?
Best, H
Originally Posted by nikidasi:
The 6245 Chronometer was rebranded as 62 Grand Seiko in 1966. The simplest explanation is this could be a 1965 6245 Chronometer with replacement 62GS dial. I saw the old stock 62GS "DIASHOCK" dials come up for sale sometimes in japanese auction site.
Originally posted by martback: I would agree with Nikidasi. The Seikomatic site who is usually quite reliable has the non-GS 6245 with caseback dates in October, November and December 1965 with the GS 6245 starting in November 1966.
- martinI don't want to keep it, knowing it is not really an early GS62, so I have asked saitama_jp if I may return it for a refund. Between the undisclosed lug damaged I mentioned in another WRUW thread, and now finding our about the dial change, I think I am justified in asking to return it. - Thomas |
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Post by Rod on Oct 6, 2015 20:11:11 GMT -8
I did hint at that it may have been a Seikomatic, it would be interesting to see what movement is in the watch? So sad as with the correct dial these Seikomatic chronometers are a very desirable watch.  |
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Post by Thomas on Oct 8, 2015 5:25:23 GMT -8
I did hint at that it may have been a Seikomatic, it would be interesting to see what movement is in the watch? Saitama_jp did write back to say he checked with his watchmaker, who I guess had worked on it, to say the dial and movement were from the GS62, since the movement does not say Chronometer, that only the case (and case-back) had been changed. Doesn't really matter to me, saitama_jp agreed to a return for full refund, so it is going back.  - Thomas |
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Post by Rod on Oct 8, 2015 17:23:09 GMT -8
I did hint at that it may have been a Seikomatic, it would be interesting to see what movement is in the watch? Saitama_jp did write back to say he checked with his watchmaker, who I guess had worked on it, to say the dial and movement were from the GS62, since the movement does not say Chronometer, that only the case (and case-back) had been changed. Doesn't really matter to me, saitama_jp agreed to a return for full refund, so it is going back. - Thomas Great outcome, and wiser by the experience! |
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