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Post by doomguy10011 on Jun 28, 2016 0:28:53 GMT -8
I'd been thinking about this for a while: Seiko, like many other brands, has made lots of watches with internal rotating rings. But most other brands (both Swiss and many Citizens, Orients) that have internal rotating rings always have a separate crown for them.
Is Seiko the only one to have integrated rotating bezel gears in their crowns? If so, why? To me it seems more elegant to have just one crown than to have a separate one for the inner bezel. Also seems like a better design choice as there's one less entry point for moisture.
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Post by tritto on Jun 28, 2016 0:36:33 GMT -8
But two crowns look cool! I'm thinking of the super compressor style cases.
Of course Seiko did it the elegant way though.
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Jun 28, 2016 1:12:35 GMT -8
It's pretty uncommon to have the bezel on the same crown. I've seen some Swiss stuff with a similar kind of system, don't ask me to name the watch right now, but I've seen it in the past. For the most part though, they have an additional crown. I'd say less crowns is better, less points of water ingress, less parts to break. In the past, it was also considered dressier. I'd been thinking about this for a while: Seiko, like many other brands, has made lots of watches with internal rotating rings. But most other brands (both Swiss and many Citizens, Orients) that have internal rotating rings always have a separate crown for them. Is Seiko the only one to have integrated rotating bezel gears in their crowns? If so, why? To me it seems more elegant to have just one crown than to have a separate one for the inner bezel. Also seems like a better design choice as there's one less entry point for moisture. |
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Post by steve855 on Jun 28, 2016 2:26:15 GMT -8
Maybe Seiko used the single crown in part because many of the movements have no provision for handwinding. This leaves one position on the crown/stem free to perform another function. This is in addition to reasons already stated.
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Jun 28, 2016 2:32:48 GMT -8
That's a good point. Interesting to note, SEIKO didn't think any magic finger movement needed hand winding because of the high efficiency of the system. Maybe Seiko used the single crown in part because many of the movements have no provision for handwinding. This leaves one position on the crown/stem free to perform another function. This is in addition to reasons already stated. |
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Post by Rod on Jun 28, 2016 15:47:03 GMT -8
Two crowns looks cool   |
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Post by ausimax on Jun 28, 2016 16:43:54 GMT -8
That's a good point. Interesting to note, SEIKO didn't think any magic finger movement needed hand winding because of the high efficiency of the system. No doubt it is a kick-ass simple effective self wind system, still wish they had hand winding, a real pain when run testing, either to have to wear it or keep opening it up to wind. Yeah I know the option is to buy a winder - got better things to spend limited resources on! Max |
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Jun 28, 2016 17:06:27 GMT -8
Just put a few turns on the barrel with a screwdriver before you put on the autowind. I usually do the autowind absolute last as if there's any issues there's less to remove and just give them a wind every day through the barrel in early testing. That's a good point. Interesting to note, SEIKO didn't think any magic finger movement needed hand winding because of the high efficiency of the system. No doubt it is a kick-ass simple effective self wind system, still wish they had hand winding, a real pain when run testing, either to have to wear it or keep opening it up to wind. Yeah I know the option is to buy a winder - got better things to spend limited resources on! Max |
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Post by meepokta on Jun 30, 2016 16:21:28 GMT -8
I collect internal bezel watches, and like to fiddle with them when my hands are bored. The bezel also add some unique aspect to the watch.
I think 2 crowns improve usability if you want to adjust the bezel while the watch is on your wrist. Having the 2nd crown usually means that the bezel crown is bigger and sticks out more, ie easier to turn.
If you look at the integrated crown of the 6139 Pogue, the crowns are not really easy to turn because the crown is flush to the body. I suspect the 6117 Worldtimer / Navigator and 4005/4006 Bellmatics are similar, but I don't have those to be able to comment.
I would want to be able to adjust the bezel on the following watches without taking them off my wrist: diving bezels, slide rule bezels, compass bezels and world timer bezels. The watch is useful as a tool to set a reminder or make a calculation. The process should be smooth and quick, then you get back to what you were doing.
However I wouldn't mind taking off my watch to adjust 24 hour bezels or alarm bezels.
Last point, crown position would also greatly affect usability. I'm ok with bezel crowns at 2 or 4 o'clock. But I'm always stumped why some watches have them at 7 or 9 o'clock if they were't chronographs.
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Post by Tyrone Jenkins on Jun 30, 2016 18:19:06 GMT -8
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Post by feca67 on Jun 30, 2016 22:56:58 GMT -8
My 7019-6050, the extra top crown is just for rotating the inner day bezel.  |
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