seiko 6105 8000

[besurfer]

I have a seiko 6105 8000 with 6105 B with hack. it's a Febraury 1970. the watch is used only one person. It's possible?!

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Apr 6, 2017 9:18:40 GMT -8 besurfer said:

I have a seiko 6105 8000 with 6105 B with hack. it's a Febraury 1970. the watch is used only one person. It's possible?!

Could have been the (resist/resist) resist dial and resist case back. To confirm, check the lower part of the dial, suppose to have this code -8009T its meant for US production and it's the late model before the transition of 6105-811*

Cheers,
SEL

[estrickland]

Definitely possible. My 'Proof' 6105-8000 from June 1970 also hacks. 

[besurfer]

my is prof /prof....1970
it's possible so....

[GuyJ]

I don't think I've ever seen a resist resist 8000. I've heard a few stories of hacking 6105b movements inside the 1st gen 6105-8000/8009s, so entirely possible.

[estrickland]

There are resist/resist -8000's, but they're less common than proof/proof 811x's.

[tritto]

And because this thread is seriously lacking in photos...

Proof/Proof, hacking 6105B, June 1970.

[estrickland]

My 6105b proof/proof -8000, also June 1970 (#069841)

[HiBeat]

My Resist/Resist but its a -8009

Also from June 1970.

[Groundhog66]

I neglected to score an 800x back in the day, not sure why...

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Apr 6, 2017 14:02:45 GMT -8 estrickland said:

My 6105b proof/proof -8000, also June 1970 (#069841)

God almighty that's one clean untouch 800* I've seen...

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Apr 6, 2017 14:38:19 GMT -8 HiBeat said:

My Resist/Resist but its a -8009

Also from June 1970.

ummm according to the knowledge of Spencer you got the most rarest 8009 bro... lucky you👍

[GuyJ]

That's a lot of hype. They're not that rare imo, they come up as often as proof ones I find, maybe slightly less. The resist 8000 must be rare if Erik says they're about as I've not seen one over the last 3 or 4 years of looking.

I had two near perfect examples of the resist 8009s in the last 6 months and sold them both. Do I miss them...yup. I might be able to buy one of em back soon, though.

What I find rare in these are ones that that look mint that haven't been touched. Most often many have had replacement NOS bezels and crystals installed to tie it all up. Anyway I'm probably rambling and I'm sure someone will disagree. I just get a bit tired of how much hype there is.

[estrickland]

Resist -800x's seem considerably less common to me, but maybe I'm not paying close enough attention to domestic auctions.

As for crystal/bezel swaps, I feel really differently about the two.
I almost always swap the crystal with a NOS version to get a nice clean window on the dial.
Here's an unflattering shot of my 6105 with the original crystal:

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Apr 6, 2017 15:03:39 GMT -8 GuyJ said:

That's a lot of hype. They're not that rare imo, they come up as often as proof ones I find, maybe slightly less. The resist 8000 must be rare if Erik says they're about as I've not seen one over the last 3 or 4 years of looking.

I had two near perfect examples of the resist 8009s in the last 6 months and sold them both. Do I miss them...yup. I might be able to buy one of em back soon, though.

What I find rare in these are ones that that look mint that haven't been touched. Most often many have had replacement NOS bezels and crystals installed to tie it all up. Anyway I'm probably rambling and I'm sure someone will disagree. I just get a bit tired of how much hype there is.

Hey Bodo,

To others "hype" might be a bad thing but for me seem like a good news because it means Seiko vintage is highly anticipated by growing community of young collectors like us and obviously it excites other to join in. So, the cycle never really ends might slow down a bit but it will never end. The problem is though the price will go higher!!!
By they way, that was a nice -800* you should have kept it bro.

Cheers,
Sel

[GuyJ]

Both Resist Resist 8009s.

Production of one of them was may 69 I think. Or maybe August I can't remember. The other was June 70. So you have two years there of possible resist resist versions being made along side proof versions. The 1st gen 6105 was in production in what 67/68 (Erik? Help!) and I've seen resist examples from 70 up to 71 with a mention or two of 1972. So that's 5 years with an almost 50/50 range of variations. Or thereabouts, favouring proof versions on the whole.

I tend to think that hype creates a form of bandwagonism if there is such a thing, and as a result prices get silly, people get involved from an investment pov and that sucks.

That's not to say that those who can afford the price rises are those that don't really care. A collector in this thread clearly has the means, but also the passion and enthusiasm and knowledge comes through in the extreme. But I tend to think, personally, that it's not about collecting everything and at no matter what cost. For me that's like the kid at school who has to have everything because, well, he just has to. And that's what hype does.

Tell everyone these watches are a pile of crap and worth nothing I'd bet you'd soon see a fair amount of departures.

Apologies if I'm cynical as hell tonight but well... Ignore me.



I should add this isn't aimed at anyone. Probably projecting. I'll snap out of it.

[bombora]

April 1968 proof proof

[besurfer]

[estrickland]

Apr 6, 2017 16:59:54 GMT -8 GuyJ said:

Both Resist Resist 8009s.

Production of one of them was may 69 I think. Or maybe August I can't remember. The other was June 70. So you have two years there of possible resist resist versions being made along side proof versions. The 1st gen 6105 was in production in what 67/68 (Erik? Help!) and I've seen resist examples from 70 up to 71 with a mention or two of 1972. So that's 5 years with an almost 50/50 range of variations. Or thereabouts, favouring proof versions on the whole.

I tend to think that hype creates a form of bandwagonism if there is such a thing, and as a result prices get silly, people get involved from an investment pov and that sucks.

That's not to say that those who can afford the price rises are those that don't really care. A collector in this thread clearly has the means, but also the passion and enthusiasm and knowledge comes through in the extreme. But I tend to think, personally, that it's not about collecting everything and at no matter what cost. For me that's like the kid at school who has to have everything because, well, he just has to. And that's what hype does.

Tell everyone these watches are a pile of crap and worth nothing I'd bet you'd soon see a fair amount of departures.

Apologies if I'm cynical as hell tonight but well... Ignore me.



I should add this isn't aimed at anyone. Probably projecting. I'll snap out of it.

Yeah, the 1st 6105-800x was '68 (March I think), and I don't know of a -800x made after 1970. Can you point to some '71/'72s?

Also, just because there was production in some year doesn't mean the production volume was uniform, and in the 1970 transition year most of them were still marked -proof.

As such in my thinking there was big proof production in '68, '69 and '70 - with a small production of -resist watches in 70 - maybe 20% of the 1970 watches - so it would be maybe 7% of the -800x's overall.  Maybe it's more like 40% of '70, and 13% overall. 

Not vanishingly small, but small enough to put a premium on.

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To the other points - agree that all value in watches is a projection, much of that projection is the story we tell ourselves about the watch, and part of it is perceived market value which like you say can suffer from positive feedback loops.

For me, the most interesting stories are about history, primacy of technology and design language, accuracy and quality, survival and provenance. Scarcity is in there, but not much.

As such, yeah I'd pay more for a resist -800x than a -proof, but just a little.
I think most people are in this boat - condition is king, and these variants are minor adjustments.

[tritto]

Yep, condition is king. My other 8000 is a beautiful resist/proof example. I wouldn't trade it for a lesser proof/proof or resist/resist.