Seiko Emblem?

[ausimax]

I knew nothing about this Seiko Sub-Brand till I ran across this watch, did some quick checking before I hit the go button, sold as parts or restoration but it does run contains the 2409 Hi-Beat movement.

Looks to be in good condition, haven't investigated it yet, what can you tell me about the Emblem brand?


 

[small]

Quick look around seems to say Emblem is more of a Seiko Clock brand. Didn't see anything about its use on watches?

[bbilford83]

I've owned maybe 5 of these, always with the high-beat 2409 movement, always mid-sized.  All five were from Yahoo Japan and I think they may have only been released as JDM models.  I've never kept any of them - I'm 5'11 and 250 so not exactly a mid-sized guy - but they always sell for crazy prices when I unload them on ebay compared to what I paid for them... I guess they aren't seen much in the U.S.

[bklake]

I got one of these movements in a 30 set from Ramon.  Not working but seems like a higher end movement. 

[cobrajet25]

The Emblem line is a range of smaller and mid-sized middle-tier JDM dress watches from the 1970s.  They use a range of quartz and mechanical movements including the 2409, the 2418, the 4120, and the ubiquitous 5606.

I have a couple of them somewhere...

[ausimax]

Jul 5, 2018 6:26:32 GMT -8 small said:

Quick look around seems to say Emblem is more of a Seiko Clock brand. Didn't see anything about its use on watches?

Yeah, that's what I turned up at first, had more luck doing an image search and following links from there.

[ausimax]

Jul 5, 2018 9:46:11 GMT -8 bbilford83 said:

I've owned maybe 5 of these, always with the high-beat 2409 movement, always mid-sized.  All five were from Yahoo Japan and I think they may have only been released as JDM models.  I've never kept any of them - I'm 5'11 and 250 so not exactly a mid-sized guy - but they always sell for crazy prices when I unload them on ebay compared to what I paid for them... I guess they aren't seen much in the U.S.

Could be the reason I had not heard of them, had a list of Seiko sub-brands and it did not appear on it.

[ausimax]

Jul 6, 2018 2:06:03 GMT -8 cobrajet25 said:

The Emblem line is a range of smaller and mid-sized middle-tier JDM dress watches from the 1970s.  They use a range of quartz and mechanical movements including the 2409, the 2418, the 4120, and the ubiquitous 5606.

I have a couple of them somewhere...

All the mechanical I found had either 2409  or 5606 movements, I had no idea what movement this one had, only one crappy photo and no other info, I was sweating that it did not have a 5606 movement with the equally ubiquitous broken day/date mechanism.

I have only had one of the 2409 movements before, in a really nice watch with a blue dial, when I opened it up the movement was rusted out completely.

[Adrian-VTA]

I think I have a box full of 2409's somewhere, they are a nice movement.

[ausimax]

Jul 6, 2018 16:15:00 GMT -8 Adrian-VTA said:

I think I have a box full of 2409's somewhere, they are a nice movement.

Thanks Adrian, now I know where to go for parts if needed.

[Adrian-VTA]

You probably won't need to, they are well made.

Jul 6, 2018 19:32:51 GMT -8 ausimax said:

Jul 6, 2018 16:15:00 GMT -8 Adrian-VTA said:

I think I have a box full of 2409's somewhere, they are a nice movement.

Thanks Adrian, now I know where to go for parts if needed.

[cobrajet25]

Jul 6, 2018 4:50:08 GMT -8 ausimax said:

Jul 6, 2018 2:06:03 GMT -8 cobrajet25 said:

The Emblem line is a range of smaller and mid-sized middle-tier JDM dress watches from the 1970s.  They use a range of quartz and mechanical movements including the 2409, the 2418, the 4120, and the ubiquitous 5606.

I have a couple of them somewhere...

All the mechanical I found had either 2409  or 5606 movements, I had no idea what movement this one had, only one crappy photo and no other info, I was sweating that it did not have a 5606 movement with the equally ubiquitous broken day/date mechanism.

I have only had one of the 2409 movements before, in a really nice watch with a blue dial, when I opened it up the movement was rusted out completely.

Not to worry.  The 5606 is a Suwa movement, your watch has a Daini logo on the dial.

[ausimax]

Follow up!

Sold as non running, however if you advanced the hands it would start running, but the movement of the winder when changing time was rough and jerky and would not wind backwards, so I figured there was a problem in the motion works - this is what I found when I stripped it.




The minute wheel had apparently seized on the post and  broke it off the main plate, there were signs of old dried grease on the gear, you would wonder that enough force could be applied through the gears to do that without obvious damage to the gears.

The broken post pushed out of the minute wheel without excessive force needed - strange!

Once the minute wheel was removed it ran like a champion, the rest of it looks in good order, now all I have to do is get a new main plate _ I don't know what it is but I always seem to find the watches with the weird problems.

[ausimax]

Update!!!!.

After a generous donation of a 2904 watch from Adrian VTA, Thanks Adrian, the subject is now up and running again.


When I stripped the donor movement it was in fairly bad shape, water intrusion through the stem had destroyed most of the setting parts and into the going train, one screw in the train bridge was rusted in and could not be removed, had to break the bridge off , most of the guts was rusted out.




After the Tea Bath.

The stem was destroyed and exploded with rust, the main plate spent 2 days soaking in tea, that removed most of the surface rust, still unable to remove the stem so into vinegar for 2 days, that broke down the rust and I could remove the stem also the broken screw, and the plate cleaned up well.





After the Vinegar soak>

Rebuilt on the donor plate with most of the original parts, except for the minute and hour wheels from the donor, luckily my canon pinion was OK as the donor had rusted to the centre wheel.



The end result the watch running well and returning good numbers on the Timegrapher so all is well that ends well.

[pip]

Great rescue! Love seeing this, old junk given a new lease of life.