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Post by Daini36k on Aug 28, 2023 10:05:12 GMT -8
I stated “are rarer”, not “fewer were manufactured”. In many ways it is largely irrelevant what the relative production volumes were, what matters is their scarcity today. I’m interested in your statement that “the same real 7000s seem to keep reappearing on the market every few years”. Could you provide some listings where you have found this to be the case? I only have records of 11 sales in Japan of the -7000 between 2012 and today, and have not identified any duplicates. I only have full case serial numbers for four of these (960011 sold in March 2020, 960067 sold in August 2019, 960400 sold in October 2022, and 020093 sold in April 2019), and partial case serials (all 96xxxx) for four more that sold between 2015 and 2019. I understand your interpretation of rare as well. And I don't really want to argue semantics. So, I'll certainly agree that the 7010s are scarcer than the 7000s on today's market. I don't keep detailed records of serial numbers. I simply remember distinguishing characteristics of the watches. One recent example of a relisted 4580-7000 was a watch with a very obvious crack in the bottom half of the bezel. I remember seeing this one online around the time I started getting deeper into vintage Seiko collecting, so around 2016-2017. Then it recently popped up again at a watch fair in Ginza. The crack is in the exact same spot, so I doubt it could be two different watches. Antiwatchman also had a 4580-7000 that sold about two or three years ago for ≈$10-12K at the time if I recall. The position of the scratches on the caseback of that watch look very, very similar to one that was sold on Yahoo JP back in 2011 (I remember because I was combing the internet at that time to try and find where this watch came from. In hindsight, I probably should have bought that one from antiwatchman). The HSS steel is very brittle and of dubious quality. Cracks in the bezel of the 7000 are apparently very common, and I know of two different watches with cracks in almost exactly the same place…
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Post by mnementh on Aug 28, 2023 12:58:08 GMT -8
Good to know it isn't just my 804# family has this problem. Or wait; maybe it's worse... Of the dozen or so I've seen, one (mine) has a cracked bezel, one is missing a bezel and you can see where the crack was in the remaining rust stain, and one has a bezel of unknown provenance with half-round profile substituted, probably for the same reason. I get that the probable cause was rust; but hey, aspoda be SS and I expect the very thin triangular profile of 1.5mm x 1.5mm dimensions is also probably a big contributor. mnem I'll now toddle off & take my at best tangentially-related gripe somewhere else... ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/5353543/images/F4FNEtR3Jk2YrmBJEnak.gif)
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Post by gerald on Aug 28, 2023 18:33:30 GMT -8
I stated “are rarer”, not “fewer were manufactured”. In many ways it is largely irrelevant what the relative production volumes were, what matters is their scarcity today. I’m interested in your statement that “the same real 7000s seem to keep reappearing on the market every few years”. Could you provide some listings where you have found this to be the case? I only have records of 11 sales in Japan of the -7000 between 2012 and today, and have not identified any duplicates. I only have full case serial numbers for four of these (960011 sold in March 2020, 960067 sold in August 2019, 960400 sold in October 2022, and 020093 sold in April 2019), and partial case serials (all 96xxxx) for four more that sold between 2015 and 2019. I understand your interpretation of rare as well. And I don't really want to argue semantics. So, I'll certainly agree that the 7010s are scarcer than the 7000s on today's market. I don't keep detailed records of serial numbers. I simply remember distinguishing characteristics of the watches. One recent example of a relisted 4580-7000 was a watch with a very obvious crack in the bottom half of the bezel. I remember seeing this one online around the time I started getting deeper into vintage Seiko collecting, so around 2016-2017. Then it recently popped up again at a watch fair in Ginza. The crack is in the exact same spot, so I doubt it could be two different watches. Antiwatchman also had a 4580-7000 that sold about two or three years ago for ≈$10-12K at the time if I recall. The position of the scratches on the caseback of that watch look very, very similar to one that was sold on Yahoo JP back in 2011 (I remember because I was combing the internet at that time to try and find where this watch came from. In hindsight, I probably should have bought that one from antiwatchman). The two instances of 4580-7000’s with cracked bezels are different watches. The first one has since had a new bezel manufactured for it, and I believe the second one also will have in due course.
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