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Post by seikoholic on Sept 3, 2014 20:17:21 GMT -8
And 72 people are watching this. I remember when 6105-811x's in this shape were selling for under $400 in open bidding. I bought one like it for like $360 and was mad at myself for being a sucker.  |
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Post by Groundhog66 on Sept 3, 2014 20:37:46 GMT -8
Every day, I am more and more grateful, for the two that I have.
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Post by ninja01 on Sept 3, 2014 21:51:47 GMT -8
RE: " I remember when 6105-811x's in this shape were selling for under $400 in open bidding." Well, I guess my memory goes back farther ... I remember ones in that shape going US$100+ to about 150+ ... and, I got this one for a bit less than US$100!  but, to be fair - it was a "mislabeled" auction (something like "used Seiko watch", no model/case-style # listed & no mention of "diver") on US eBay in 2001 or 2002, so I was somewhat fortunate in that auction. |
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Post by cobrajet25 on Sept 4, 2014 0:34:58 GMT -8
RE: " I remember when 6105-811x's in this shape were selling for under $400 in open bidding." Well, I guess my memory goes back farther ... I remember ones in that shape going US$100+ to about 150+ ... and, I got this one for a bit less than US$100! but, to be fair - it was a "mislabeled" auction (something like "used Seiko watch", no model/case-style # listed & no mention of "diver") on US eBay in 2001 or 2002, so I was somewhat fortunate in that auction.  My first 6105 was nicer than the one in question, and I paid $120 for...shipped from Australia. I thought I overpaid, and so did many other Forumers at the time! This would have been around 2003-2004. Prices on these have gone NUTS! |
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Post by mikeinfrankfurt on Sept 4, 2014 1:00:36 GMT -8
Wow, that lume even turns me off and I love them nasty. There's no doubt that a larger population have discovered vintage Seiko and the value that they bring (build quality, style, originality, etc). Sorry to say, but at <$1000, these core models still have room to run before they get anywhere even close to their Swiss counterparts. There are loads of "no name" Vintage Swiss divers using "me too" cases and movements that sell for more which, IMO, is far more ridiculous. Oh, here's mine..I got this a year ago for $700. Not cheap but runs like a horse and has the aging I like. For good or bad, it would cost me more to replace it today. Attachments:
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Post by cobrajet25 on Sept 4, 2014 1:45:27 GMT -8
Wow, that lume even turns me off and I love them nasty. Yeah. Aging is one thing. But the dive-watch-that-has-obviously-failed look is not a good one. And you are right...even the '70s vintage low-end Swiss poser divers are selling for as much or more than a good 6105. If a nice 240Z can be worth good money, then well, why not a nice example of an excellent vintage Japanese dive watch? |
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Post by iwaddell on Sept 4, 2014 2:01:39 GMT -8
When looking at the prices these days. My $150's was well spent all those years ago, when i started my addiction to Seiko.
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Post by Groundhog66 on Sept 4, 2014 7:32:28 GMT -8
That would be a nice flea market find, I'd wear it in that condition, if I got it for $20.  |
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Post by toxicavenger on Sept 4, 2014 7:35:45 GMT -8
For me the 6105 lug size and usual corroded lume pods/hands always made it very undesirable. The 6309 almost always looks great to me and the fit is top notch. So pass on the 6105's in my house. |
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Post by seikoholic on Sept 4, 2014 7:43:08 GMT -8
RE: " I remember when 6105-811x's in this shape were selling for under $400 in open bidding." Well, I guess my memory goes back farther ... I remember ones in that shape going US$100+ to about 150+ ... and, I got this one for a bit less than US$100! but, to be fair - it was a "mislabeled" auction (something like "used Seiko watch", no model/case-style # listed & no mention of "diver") on US eBay in 2001 or 2002, so I was somewhat fortunate in that auction. In the grand scheme, I'm still a newcomer. Back when you guys were getting fantastic vintage Seiko deals, I was wasting time & money on vintage military optics. Got some great bargains, but all that stuff is gathering dust now, and unlike vintage Seiko watches, it has not gained any significant value as the WW2 market went flat around 2007/8. It had a minor bubble going, and then the market was flooded with cheap fakes and badly degraded original stuff, and the overall market suffered as new buyers were scared off. Then the financial crisis hit and everyone started dumping their collections. The market has never really recovered. |
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Post by Groundhog66 on Sept 4, 2014 7:48:39 GMT -8
RE: " I remember when 6105-811x's in this shape were selling for under $400 in open bidding." Well, I guess my memory goes back farther ... I remember ones in that shape going US$100+ to about 150+ ... and, I got this one for a bit less than US$100! but, to be fair - it was a "mislabeled" auction (something like "used Seiko watch", no model/case-style # listed & no mention of "diver") on US eBay in 2001 or 2002, so I was somewhat fortunate in that auction. In the grand scheme, I'm still a newcomer. Back when you guys were getting fantastic vintage Seiko deals, I was wasting time & money on vintage military optics. Got some great bargains, but all that stuff is gathering dust now, and unlike vintage Seiko watches, it has not gained any significant value as the WW2 market went flat around 2007/8. You should start a thread on of these days, sounds interesting. |
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Post by timewatcher on Sept 4, 2014 7:51:53 GMT -8
I bought mine about 7 years ago for $125.00 and even with the money I have put into it since then I am still WAY ahead of the game !  |
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Post by seikoholic on Sept 4, 2014 7:57:34 GMT -8
In the grand scheme, I'm still a newcomer. Back when you guys were getting fantastic vintage Seiko deals, I was wasting time & money on vintage military optics. Got some great bargains, but all that stuff is gathering dust now, and unlike vintage Seiko watches, it has not gained any significant value as the WW2 market went flat around 2007/8. You should start a thread on of these days, sounds interesting. In a lot of ways, what happened in the WW2 market mirrors what has been happening in the vintage Seiko market. |
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Post by ninja01 on Sept 4, 2014 23:03:18 GMT -8
In a lot of ways, what happened in the WW2 market mirrors what has been happening in the vintage Seiko market. Pretty much all investment products and other financial assets have cycles in their prices as a result of changing supply/demand dynamics. BTW: My degree was in Economics & I had additional training & experience in Investment Management & Financial planning. I suspect the WW2 memorabilia market went thru what the vintage Seiko 6138 chronograph market went thru in late '90s to early 2000s. When I 1st started collecting the Seikos, I'd read an online essay about how racing fans had driven up prices after "discovering" the large cased 6138s & after the "mania" (maybe most of those fans got theirs & demand was returning to normal levels) the prices were returning to normal. So... when I 1st started collecting, it was likely the tail end of that demand bubble & I did see things like a very decent looking Kuro Uma [Black Bullhead] go for something around US370 + shipping. I got a nice one (a month earlier) in early 2001 for US$306 (shipping included) that year. Others in that period did sell between the $306 and about $350. One 1/2 year+- later I bought much nicer one, I think around US$200! I'm having some trouble finding it it in my notes, so can't get it exact. |
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Post by seikoholic on Sept 5, 2014 9:13:19 GMT -8
In a lot of ways, what happened in the WW2 market mirrors what has been happening in the vintage Seiko market. Pretty much all investment products and other financial assets have cycles in their prices as a result of changing supply/demand dynamics. BTW: My degree was in Economics & I had additional training & experience in Investment Management & Financial planning. I suspect the WW2 memorabilia market went thru what the vintage Seiko 6138 chronograph market went thru in late '90s to early 2000s. When I 1st started collecting the Seikos, I'd read an online essay about how racing fans had driven up prices after "discovering" the large cased 6138s & after the "mania" (maybe most of those fans got theirs & demand was returning to normal levels) the prices were returning to normal. So... when I 1st started collecting, it was likely the tail end of that demand bubble & I did see things like a very decent looking Kuro Uma [Black Bullhead] go for something around US370 + shipping. I got a nice one (a month earlier) in early 2001 for US$306 (shipping included) that year. Others in that period did sell between the $306 and about $350. One 1/2 year+- later I bought much nicer one, I think around US$200! I'm having some trouble finding it it in my notes, so can't get it exact. In this case, the bubble for WW2 stuff was driven by a couple of things: the creation of eBay which meant a ton of new material was available, and the explosion of popular interest in WW2. There were all the movies, and "Saving Private Ryan", plus the entire generation that had grown up with the war on TV all the time (the fun "Kelly's Heroes" war, not the grim "Schindler's List" war) got some income and finally found a helmet to buy. |
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Post by Myles on Sept 5, 2014 11:08:38 GMT -8
Every day, I am more and more grateful, for the two that I have. Same here. Mine had already been gone through recently by IWW, and I got it for less than half of what that basket case is going for. Myles |
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Post by dad-the-diver on Sept 5, 2014 11:30:43 GMT -8
Well. I sold this for $375:- 
To pay for this at $350:- 
I thought it was a bargain. Sold it when my daughter had the chance of a school trip to Jordan.
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Post by tantalus on Sept 5, 2014 11:47:58 GMT -8
Every day, I am more and more grateful, for the two that I have. These threads are always disheartening for those who are just starting a collection... like me. *sigh* |
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Post by Groundhog66 on Sept 5, 2014 12:30:41 GMT -8
Every day, I am more and more grateful, for the two that I have. These threads are always disheartening for those who are just starting a collection... like me. *sigh* Don't get discouraged, we had to start somewhere.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 13:00:44 GMT -8
Every day, I am more and more grateful, for the two that I have. These threads are always disheartening for those who are just starting a collection... like me. *sigh* Half the fun in collecting vintage pieces is the hunt. One quarter is the wait for it to be delivered and one quarter when it's in your hands. Don't despair they are still out there and do come up on occasion at good prices that beginners can afford. I'm not a fan of the 6105 diver so there is at least one more available to guys like you |
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My first 6105 was nicer than the one in question, and I paid $120 for...shipped from Australia. I thought I overpaid, and so did many other Forumers at the time! This would have been around 2003-2004.
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