Thomas
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Post by Thomas on Oct 11, 2014 7:43:15 GMT -8
Hello, A gentleman and watch collector whose opinion I respect has suggested that the dial on my King Seiko 4502-7001 is not original, that it has been re-finished. It doesn't have that re-printed look to me, but there is one thing I know for certain, I am no expert at this kind of evaluation. May I ask the option of you forum members, please? And don't worry about hurting my feelings, I like to think that I "can handle the truth"!  Any information and comments will be appreciated, thank you!  - Thomas |
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Post by seikoholic on Oct 11, 2014 7:51:00 GMT -8
Looks legit to me but I'm the first to admit that KS knowledge is far from comprehensive. But it looks good.
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Post by sweffymo on Oct 11, 2014 7:58:55 GMT -8
If it's a redial it's really well done. Most of the redials I've seen on auction sites and whatnot use the wrong fonts for words, and have the wrong logo, etc.
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Post by sdoocms on Oct 11, 2014 8:01:59 GMT -8
I can't say if the dial has been redone but it sure is a nice looking watch!
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Post by croolis on Oct 11, 2014 8:04:50 GMT -8
looks OK to me ..
the ways to spot a refinished dial are ..
1. the shimmery blue background is not really something a refinisher can do
2. the hour batons seem to be on perfectly accurately, I have yet to see a refinished dial that achieves this
3. all the shiny parts (date window, markers, hands etc.) are in pristine condition .. if the dial was rough enough to warrant refinishing this is rarely the case
I think Abdulla has a KS with a blue dial .. maybe you could compare with his .. i'll PM him to chime in.
D.
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Post by solex on Oct 11, 2014 8:04:58 GMT -8
It looks pretty original, the later models like the 5625 I have has the word automatic, yours does not and looks consistent with all of the pictures on Google.
The only thing I find unusual is the white stripe on the hands and batons, which may also mean that it is rare. Most of the dials I have reviewed have a black stripe down the middle.
Disclaimer: I'm no expert, I just received my first 5625 a month ago and am doing a complete restoration, I have done a lot of research recently.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 8:27:29 GMT -8
Colour (color) is spot on. Same exact Seiko blue as my 7016-8001 dial.
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Post by enicar.racine on Oct 11, 2014 8:35:35 GMT -8
The reason I said ;
1. I am yet to see a "blue" dial manual winding KS (there are automatic versions but manual winding??)
2. There are some sellers from Korea on "that" popular auction site who have fantastic
equipment as all here can agree that the dial they refinish are just stunning !!
Here is my rare KS automatic Ref. 5646-6020 High Beat model some Seiko KS chronometers came with grey & dark blue dials. Hope that did not hurt your feelings Thomas 
BR
Abdulla
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Post by enicar.racine on Oct 11, 2014 8:37:27 GMT -8
Colour (color) is spot on. Same exact Seiko blue as my 7016-8001 dial.
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Post by enicar.racine on Oct 11, 2014 8:38:35 GMT -8
It looks pretty original, the later models like the 5625 I have has the word automatic, yours does not and looks consistent with all of the pictures on Google. The only thing I find unusual is the white stripe on the hands and batons, which may also mean that it is rare. Most of the dials I have reviewed have a black stripe down the middle. Disclaimer: I'm no expert, I just received my first 5625 a month ago and am doing a complete restoration, I have done a lot of research recently.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 8:47:36 GMT -8
Thomas, the only thing I see that is out of whack is the printing of the minute markers.
Follow them around the dial and you can see that the whole set is misregistered from left to right.
I doubt that Seiko would have let anything that obvious out into the wild back when this watch was made.
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Thomas
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Post by Thomas on Oct 11, 2014 10:16:41 GMT -8
The only thing I find unusual is the white stripe on the hands and batons, which may also mean that it is rare. Most of the dials I have reviewed have a black stripe down the middle. Hello solex, No white stripe, the hands are polished on the bevel side and brushed on the top part. With the lighting the brushed part is so much brighter it looks like it is white. - Thomas |
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Post by Thomas on Oct 11, 2014 10:19:49 GMT -8
Thomas, the only thing I see that is out of whack is the printing of the minute markers. Follow them around the dial and you can see that the whole set is misregistered from left to right. Hey Penguin, Good observation, checking with a magnifier, the minute marks are out of alignment with the hour markers only at 25, 30, 35 and 40. All the others are centered perfectly. Still, the observation has merit. - Thomas |
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Post by Thomas on Oct 11, 2014 10:32:56 GMT -8
The reason I said ;
1. I am yet to see a "blue" dial manual winding KS (there are automatic versions but manual winding??)
2. There are some sellers from Korea on "that" popular auction site who have fantastic equipment as all
here can agree that the dial they refinish are just stunning !!
Hope that did not hurt your feelings Thomas
BR
Abdulla
Hi Abdulla, No, not at all! As I said, you are a scholarly watch collector, whose opinion I respect!  I thank you for your feedback.  I want to know (if possible) one way or the other, so I do not misrepresent the watch in the future.  This seller I bought from was in the Carolinas here in the U.S., but who is to say who he bought it from!! Thanks again for your perspective. Sincerely, - Thomas "Motowatch" Haller |
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Post by mar52 on Oct 11, 2014 11:25:02 GMT -8
When I saw your watch yesterday I thought that might be one of the Beverly Hills watches with the refinished dials.
He keeps changing his name, but his purple dials are spectacular.
It's beautiful... enjoy it.
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Post by ninja01 on Oct 11, 2014 15:53:37 GMT -8
RE: 1. I am yet to see a "blue" dial manual winding KS (there are automatic versions but manual winding??) Well, I have seen dark blue dialed 45's (manual, cal. 4522) ... but they are GS (not KS) and definitely a different shade of blue than this, really like a Navy Blue. I suspect the blue example I have (scan) is legit as it featured in a Japanese watch magazine. Let's see if I have that pic in a server anywhere .... well, don't see the 4522, but have a 4580 that is either a Navy Blue (almost black) or actually black dial:  Not sure if this helps settle the current question though, but yes - I also have not seen this particular light blue shade on a KS/GS of 45 family from Daini ... more typical of Suwa product. UPDATE: just found another 'reference shot' of the -7000/7001 and it has a "white" dial (not sure if a silvery or an "off-white" since shot is rather small) - shot came from a Japanese reference site years ago, so I suspect it is "legit" in it's details. BUT: I have to add that ALL the KS & GS shots (both Diani & Suwa product) from that site had "white" dials, no colored dials & we do know Suwa (and apparently some Daini GS 45's - based on reference shots I mention & show above) had colored dials. Then of oourse, there were the KS VANAC's with rather "wild" dials - but I guess we won't go there  |
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