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Post by seikoholic on Oct 20, 2014 10:11:02 GMT -8
A customer bought thisAny input on this? It looks great to me. Age is right, condition is right, looks complete, it's a U.S. watch. "Proof" dial, "Resist" caseback, non-notch case, October 1970, right in the twilight time. |
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Post by Groundhog66 on Oct 20, 2014 10:14:16 GMT -8
When did the notched cases stop, early '70?
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Post by 69ChevelleSS on Oct 20, 2014 10:28:25 GMT -8
Was the inner bezel relumed? Triangle shape looks a bit sloppy.
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Post by SeikoPsycho on Oct 20, 2014 13:48:35 GMT -8
When did the notched cases stop, early '70? I originally thought it was March of 70' but have recently seen one from July of 70'. |
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Post by SeikoPsycho on Oct 20, 2014 13:52:36 GMT -8
A customer bought thisAny input on this? It looks great to me. Age is right, condition is right, looks complete, it's a U.S. watch. "Proof" dial, "Resist" caseback, non-notch case, October 1970, right in the twilight time. 6001 a U.S. watch? From my understanding and research the U.S. versions Never came with Proof dials and were never numbered 6001's. U.S. versions were either 6009's or 6005's. Looks to me like it's a Resistant case back and not a Resist case back which would only be a mismatch with a proof dial and non notched case. I had been watching that auction but lost interest when I saw the discrepancies. If you'll notice, on a "Resist" case back the text goes to the edge of the horseshoe. On the case back in the auction, although it's hard to read the last few letters, the text doesn't end at the edge of the horseshoe which would indicate it actually reads "Resistant".  |
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Oct 20, 2014 15:22:29 GMT -8
To me, it looks like the movement has been dropped into a resist case. It has that feel about it. Nice watch though!
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Post by seikoholic on Oct 20, 2014 15:31:05 GMT -8
A customer bought thisAny input on this? It looks great to me. Age is right, condition is right, looks complete, it's a U.S. watch. "Proof" dial, "Resist" caseback, non-notch case, October 1970, right in the twilight time. 6001 a U.S. watch? U.S. as in "came from a USA-based seller". Not a U.S. version. |
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Post by cobrajet25 on Oct 20, 2014 18:30:12 GMT -8
The original purchaser probably bought it on vacation somewhere. Wish we knew where!
The watch looks legit to me. All that grot looks original and vintage, and it most likely would have been cleaned off if a bunch of swapping had been done recently. As I have said many times before, I usually give watches made from late 1970 to mid 1971 a pass when it comes to things like this. Then again, these watches are 35-45 years old now, and neither Seiko nor most watchmakers that have worked on them in the interim were really concerned about keeping them 100% off-the-line correct.
I have a 6139-6001 from December, 1970, and it does not have the Proof dial or two-piece seconds hand. I think it has a 6139A, but I'd have to check. Matter of fact, I think I have a -6001 from October, 1970 as well.
The -6001 is a weird duck, but many 6139s made during this specific period have irregularities. The first 6139 I ever bought was a 6139-8001, and it has a Resist dial and a Proof caseback.
Maybe the -xxx1 watches were made of "leftovers" and sent to markets where the labeling conventions were a bit more lax??
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Post by Rod on Oct 20, 2014 18:57:44 GMT -8
A customer bought thisAny input on this? It looks great to me. Age is right, condition is right, looks complete, it's a U.S. watch. "Proof" dial, "Resist" caseback, non-notch case, October 1970, right in the twilight time. 6001 a U.S. watch? From my understanding and research the U.S. versions Never came with Proof dials and were never numbered 6001's. U.S. versions were either 6009's or 6005's. Looks to me like it's a Resistant case back and not a Resist case back which would only be a mismatch with a proof dial and non notched case. I had been watching that auction but lost interest when I saw the discrepancies. If you'll notice, on a "Resist" case back the text goes to the edge of the horseshoe. On the case back in the auction, although it's hard to read the last few letters, the text doesn't end at the edge of the horseshoe which would indicate it actually reads "Resistant". I enhanced the image using the wonders of photoshop and you can clearly see "resistant". I'm still on the fence but feel that it's a dial/movement swap into a later case, with some tarting up. |
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Post by Rod on Oct 20, 2014 19:03:43 GMT -8
Thinking about this and one thing I've noticed, if the watch is suss and the seller knows this, they usually list the watch for little money, in this case $5, so i usually walk from these auctions. Particularly in this case the sell knowns what he is selling.
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Post by seikoholic on Oct 20, 2014 20:13:32 GMT -8
The only thing I could think was that an earlier complete movement / dial etc got put into a slightly later case, if it's been swapped around. October 1970 is still pretty early. The dial code date will tell us more. But the grot all matches. It doesn't feel like a mix-and-match. But we will know more later on. It's still original stuff, I don't see repolishing or refinishing. Lume / dial / hands are clearly original. I'm not 100% on the indicator ring pip. We'll see.
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Post by cobrajet25 on Oct 21, 2014 0:30:43 GMT -8
There is a very similar watch on Ebay right now. It is from November, 1970. It has a Resist dial, two-piece, and is also marked "Resistant". Mine is from December, has a one-piece, a "Resistant" back, and a "Resist" dial. I think some came this way.   |
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Post by SeikoPsycho on Oct 21, 2014 3:08:03 GMT -8
I've got a 6001 somewhere. It's tough when the misses decides to re-do a room or two and everything gets shuffled around for weeks on end. I'll have to try and locate it to see what it's specifics are.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 8:03:28 GMT -8
I have a 6138-0011 with resist dial, early short hands and a proof caseback which came from the original owners brother. I have the receipt when the watch was sold new and it states the same serial number as on the watch. This is the only way I can be sure my watches were not made up from parts. Otherwise it's just down to your judgement. Really who knows for sure as these watches were made with such extreme engineering that any movement will fit any dial and any dial any case and ..... you get the picture!
Personally I have my reasons to think this watch has been made from spare parts. That said it is still a excellent watch for the money!
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Post by SeikoPsycho on Oct 21, 2014 17:06:45 GMT -8
I checked one of my 6139-6001's. It's dated to Dec of 70'. Has a 6139A movement, Resist dial, Resistant case back, 1 piece second hand, and non notched case. So it matches the Dec 70' example Aaron referred to.
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