dasher
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Post by dasher on Oct 24, 2014 12:22:57 GMT -8
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sdoocms
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Post by sdoocms on Oct 24, 2014 12:38:08 GMT -8
Well, that's way too rich for me.
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Post by SteveX on Oct 24, 2014 12:47:16 GMT -8
Wow, wonder what the BO price was....
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Post by thianwong on Oct 24, 2014 13:03:02 GMT -8
The watch trend continues, and here in Japan many dealers now know what the west wants in Japanese watches. Hence very high inflated prices IMO. Grab what you can now, boys, cuz our collectibles are reaching huge selling prices!
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Post by ninja01 on Oct 24, 2014 16:57:24 GMT -8
The watch trend continues, and here in Japan many dealers now know what the west wants in Japanese watches. Hence very high inflated prices IMO. Grab what you can now, boys, cuz our collectibles are reaching huge selling prices! Have been watching this for about 15 years now. But, there are ups & down like in any "investment" or market. In appx. 2000 timeframe it was reported that there was a bubble in the 6138 prices that was deflating. Indeed I did see reports of 6138s that had sold that seemed quite high & as 2001 went on prices became more "reasonable" again. It was stated that auto racing fans had "discovered" the (what I call) big iron 6138s like Uma (Bullhead) and Big/Small Eye (-001x or UFO or Yachtman) styles, and others like Slide-rule (-7000) as cost-effective alternative to the expensive - and desired - Swiss brands. As more people "piled in" prices went up. When that demand was mainly satisfied, demand - and therefore, prices - went gradually back to a more normal level. I've especially watched diver prices in the last few years & those had risen at a seemingly faster rate than many other types of Japanese watches. All I can say at this point is: 1. Thankfully, I've pretty much gotten everything I want/"need" to be happy in my collection 2. I hope current collectors will do a lot of study of pricing over a several year period of sales data to try to assure themselves they are not buying into a "price bubble" situation. Do it BEFORE commiting to a purchase of something that is being priced aggressively high!! In many cases, there will be more of the (relatively) same thing ... unless it is truly "hard to find" in the marketplace (like a cal. 5718 or a VFA) ... and it will come along in a reasonable time-frame, if you have patience. And, more importantly, it will also likely come in at a more reasonable price than the "hot" item that is being offered at or bid up to unreasonable levels given the historical "fair market value" at the time.
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Post by thianwong on Oct 24, 2014 21:16:37 GMT -8
The watch trend continues, and here in Japan many dealers now know what the west wants in Japanese watches. Hence very high inflated prices IMO. Grab what you can now, boys, cuz our collectibles are reaching huge selling prices! Have been watching this for about 15 years now. But, there are ups & down like in any "investment" or market. In appx. 2000 timeframe it was reported that there was a bubble in the 6138 prices that was deflating. Indeed I did see reports of 6138s that had sold that seemed quite high & as 2001 went on prices became more "reasonable" again. It was stated that auto racing fans had "discovered" the (what I call) big iron 6138s like Uma (Bullhead) and Big/Small Eye (-001x or UFO or Yachtman) styles, and others like Slide-rule (-7000) as cost-effective alternative to the expensive - and desired - Swiss brands. As more people "piled in" prices went up. When that demand was mainly satisfied, demand - and therefore, prices - went gradually back to a more normal level. I've especially watched diver prices in the last few years & those had risen at a seemingly faster rate than many other types of Japanese watches. All I can say at this point is: 1. Thankfully, I've pretty much gotten everything I want/"need" to be happy in my collection 2. I hope current collectors will do a lot of study of pricing over a several year period of sales data to try to assure themselves they are not buying into a "price bubble" situation. Do it BEFORE commiting to a purchase of something that is being priced aggressively high!! In many cases, there will be more of the (relatively) same thing ... unless it is truly "hard to find" in the marketplace (like a cal. 5718 or a VFA) ... and it will come along in a reasonable time-frame, if you have patience. And, more importantly, it will also likely come in at a more reasonable price than the "hot" item that is being offered at or bid up to unreasonable levels given the historical "fair market value" at the time. For sure, words of wisdom! haha! I too have most of my desireable collection. but I still have the addiction of adding this one or that one hahah!
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cobrajet25
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Post by cobrajet25 on Oct 25, 2014 0:08:35 GMT -8
Sheesh. I wonder what mine is worth?
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Post by SeikoPsycho on Oct 25, 2014 2:10:44 GMT -8
Sheesh. I wonder what mine is worth? About the same as mine..........
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Post by cobrajet25 on Oct 25, 2014 5:04:32 GMT -8
Sheesh. I wonder what mine is worth? About the same as mine.......... Yours have all the boxes and stuff, too? Sweet! Somebody in OZ offered me about $800 for mine a year or two ago. Glad I said no! The seller originally had the one in the OP's post listed at $1595. I really do wonder what it wound up going for. I'd bet it was over a grand.
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Post by SeikoPsycho on Oct 25, 2014 6:00:28 GMT -8
About the same as mine.......... Yours have all the boxes and stuff, too? Sweet! Somebody in OZ offered me about $800 for mine a year or two ago. Glad I said no! The seller originally had the one in the OP's post listed at $1595. I really do wonder what it wound up going for. I'd bet it was over a grand. I'd be curious to know what it went for also. I'll bet you're right, over a grand. That's music to my Hoarding ears. Someday retirement may be a little sweeter with a chest load of 6139's to let go of little by little..........
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Post by HiBeat on Oct 25, 2014 10:12:23 GMT -8
Hate to bust your bubbles boys, but go on ebay, search for any model you want, then hit "Advanced" and check off "sold listings only."
Sadly the numbers are low. Like every one of us who scored every one of our watches on ebay, we paid low. We got 'a great bargain'. We see the greed of the listing prices from everyone else and we tell ourselves our watches 'are worth X'. But they're not. They're worth about the bargain prices we all paid, which is where the REAL market prices are.
That said, love 'em and wear 'em and enjoy 'em in good health !
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Post by timewatcher on Oct 25, 2014 10:22:23 GMT -8
Hate to bust your bubbles boys, but go on ebay, search for any model you want, then hit "Advanced" and check off "sold listings only." Sadly the numbers are low. Like every one of us who scored every one of our watches on ebay, we paid low. We got 'a great bargain'. We see the greed of the listing prices from everyone else and we tell ourselves our watches 'are worth X'. But they're not. They're worth about the bargain prices we all paid, which is where the REAL market prices are. That said, love 'em and wear 'em and enjoy 'em in good health ! I used to think that a lot of my watches were worth a lot but sadly when I go to try and sell them I'm lucky to get what I paid much less more for them. My recent Arnie I had and my Pogue both come to mind! My Arnie (despite the dis-coloration of one of the markers and indices) was in primo shape and yet I could barely sell it! I ended up offing it on CL. As far as I'm concerned.......Watches are like diamonds...... you rarely get back what you paid for them!
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Post by SeikoPsycho on Oct 25, 2014 11:35:48 GMT -8
I've been collecting for quite some time. Prices are definitely up when comparing quality pieces. Junk is junk and good original examples are harder and harder to find. They are selling for a higher premium. As time goes on prices will increase on nice original examples. Are there still bargains out there? You Betcha! But they are few and far between. There are not as many deals as there used to be. I have yet to take a loss on any of the watches that I've decided to let go.........
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Post by igniferroque on Oct 25, 2014 14:46:48 GMT -8
Sheesh. I wonder what mine is worth? I'll give you twenty bucks As time goes on prices will increase on nice original examples Until we reach the point where they stop increasing
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Post by Rod on Oct 25, 2014 18:23:51 GMT -8
Don't know if anyone else noticed, but it looks like the hands (H/M) have been changed for a later set.
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Post by cobrajet25 on Oct 25, 2014 23:18:57 GMT -8
Don't know if anyone else noticed, but it looks like the hands (H/M) have been changed for a later set. This watch dates to April, '70 IIRC. Only the really early ones had the matte hands. As far as prices go, it depends on the watch and the presentation. Serious collectors with money in their pockets don't buy the 6139 on Ebay with the fuzzy pic and lame description (like we love). They go right for the top and buy watches like THIS ONE and THIS ONE just to name a couple. The watch the OP is referring to was not only a really nice watch, it was really well described and presented. When selling on Ebay, presentation counts for a lot. We have all gotten enough great scores to know that! The sheer numbers in which this model was produced will keep average prices down to reasonable levels, but as Psycho says, they are up quite a bit from where they were when he and I got into the game. And really nice ones aren't anywhere near as easy to find as they used to be. Ebay used to be literally SWIMMING with nice 6139s.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 1:36:26 GMT -8
Don't know if anyone else noticed, but it looks like the hands (H/M) have been changed for a later set. This watch dates to April, '70 IIRC. Only the really early ones had the matte hands. As far as prices go, it depends on the watch and the presentation. Serious collectors with money in their pockets don't buy the 6139 on Ebay with the fuzzy pic and lame description (like we love). They go right for the top and buy watches like THIS ONE and THIS ONE just to name a couple. The watch the OP is referring to was not only a really nice watch, it was really well described and presented. When selling on Ebay, presentation counts for a lot. We have all gotten enough great scores to know that! The sheer numbers in which this model was produced will keep average prices down to reasonable levels, but as Psycho says, they are up quite a bit from where they were when he and I got into the game. And really nice ones aren't anywhere near as easy to find as they used to be. Ebay used to be literally SWIMMING with nice 6139s. For the record beejoop4 only sells watches cobbled together out of spare parts and aftermarket parts. His watches fetch fortunes which makes me sick! I'd like to flatten his theiving nose across his face. In my opinion there are 'not' many nice 6139s on evilBay. There are a lot of watches made up out of spares but during the course of a week I reckon I only see 1 or 2 nice examples you could say for sure are genuine and not made up out of aftermarket crap such as beejoop4 watches are. I see a lot of watches with aftermarket dials or repolished cases which have been spun up in a lathe rather than using the correct flapper wheel to give the brush metal finish. A lot of the 6139-600x's I see on WRUW threads are incorrect and made up out of spare parts. I just keep quiet as I do not want to upset folk. What we need on this forum is a real good spotters guide for various models of Seiko and what to look out for. I have this feature on my antique clock website and it brings in loads of visitors throughout the world. That said America gets a much nicer choice of 6139s due to that crap Global Shipping Program they run in the USA and it cutting off the rest of the world from buying watches that are listed on evilBay.com. Here in the UK Pogues fetch a lot more than they do in the states which is generally the rule for these models. This is why I do not allow anyone from the states to buy my watches when I list them on evilBay. If I cannot buy from the states, the states cannot buy from me! No big loss for the states but still gives me a warm feeling inside!
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Post by cobrajet25 on Oct 26, 2014 2:01:48 GMT -8
This watch dates to April, '70 IIRC. Only the really early ones had the matte hands. As far as prices go, it depends on the watch and the presentation. Serious collectors with money in their pockets don't buy the 6139 on Ebay with the fuzzy pic and lame description (like we love). They go right for the top and buy watches like THIS ONE and THIS ONE just to name a couple. The watch the OP is referring to was not only a really nice watch, it was really well described and presented. When selling on Ebay, presentation counts for a lot. We have all gotten enough great scores to know that! The sheer numbers in which this model was produced will keep average prices down to reasonable levels, but as Psycho says, they are up quite a bit from where they were when he and I got into the game. And really nice ones aren't anywhere near as easy to find as they used to be. Ebay used to be literally SWIMMING with nice 6139s. For the record beejoop4 only sells watches cobbled together out of spare parts and aftermarket parts. His watches fetch fortunes which makes me sick! I'd like to flatten his theiving nose across his face. In my opinion there are 'not' many nice 6139s on evilBay. There are a lot of watches made up out of spares but during the course of a week I reckon I only see 1 or 2 nice examples you could say for sure are genuine and not made up out of aftermarket crap such as beejoop4 watches are. I see a lot of watches with aftermarket dials or repolished cases which have been spun up in a lathe rather than using the correct flapper wheel to give the brush metal finish. A lot of the 6139-600x's I see on WRUW threads are incorrect and made up out of spare parts. I just keep quiet as I do not want to upset folk. What we need on this forum is a real good spotters guide for various models of Seiko and what to look out for. I have this feature on my antique clock website and it brings in loads of visitors throughout the world. That said America gets a much nicer choice of 6139s due to that crap Global Shipping Program they run in the USA and it cutting off the rest of the world from buying watches that are listed on evilBay.com. Here in the UK Pogues fetch a lot more than they do in the states which is generally the rule for these models. This is why I do not allow anyone from the states to buy my watches when I list them on evilBay. If I cannot buy from the states, the states cannot buy from me! No big loss for the states but still gives me a warm feeling inside! 'Beejoo' is not the greatest seller, to be sure. But you gotta admit...he/she knows how to play the game. Auctions like this demonstrate that people are willing to pay good money for what they think is a top-shelf 6139 if it is presented properly. There are others on Ebay which have sold for similar amounts, these were just amongst the first few I saw. It is amazing what some good pictures and a salesman's touch can do for one of these watches. Funny you should mention your "embargo" on us poor Yankees. I honestly don't like buying from the UK because you guys get kinda rapey with your shipping charges. Seems like everything costs me at least $30 to have sent out of your country!
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Post by tritto on Oct 26, 2014 2:08:40 GMT -8
[/quote]'Beejoo' is not the greatest seller, to be sure. But you gotta admit...he/she knows how to play the game. Auctions like this demonstrate that people are willing to pay good money for what they think is a top-shelf 6139 if it is presented properly. There are others on Ebay which have sold for similar amounts, these were just amongst the first few I saw.
It is amazing what some good pictures and a salesman's touch can do for one of these watches.
Funny you should mention your "embargo" on us poor Yankees. I honestly don't like buying from the UK because you guys get kinda rapey with your shipping charges. Seems like everything costs me at least $30 to have sent out of your country! [/quote]
$30. I wish. Most watches I see on ebay from the US are asking upward of $40 to ship to Australia. I usually find postage from the UK more reasonably priced. Not wishing to start a war, we all get screwed for postage.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 2:17:25 GMT -8
For the record beejoop4 only sells watches cobbled together out of spare parts and aftermarket parts. His watches fetch fortunes which makes me sick! I'd like to flatten his theiving nose across his face. In my opinion there are 'not' many nice 6139s on evilBay. There are a lot of watches made up out of spares but during the course of a week I reckon I only see 1 or 2 nice examples you could say for sure are genuine and not made up out of aftermarket crap such as beejoop4 watches are. I see a lot of watches with aftermarket dials or repolished cases which have been spun up in a lathe rather than using the correct flapper wheel to give the brush metal finish. A lot of the 6139-600x's I see on WRUW threads are incorrect and made up out of spare parts. I just keep quiet as I do not want to upset folk. What we need on this forum is a real good spotters guide for various models of Seiko and what to look out for. I have this feature on my antique clock website and it brings in loads of visitors throughout the world. That said America gets a much nicer choice of 6139s due to that crap Global Shipping Program they run in the USA and it cutting off the rest of the world from buying watches that are listed on evilBay.com. Here in the UK Pogues fetch a lot more than they do in the states which is generally the rule for these models. This is why I do not allow anyone from the states to buy my watches when I list them on evilBay. If I cannot buy from the states, the states cannot buy from me! No big loss for the states but still gives me a warm feeling inside! 'Beejoo' is not the greatest seller, to be sure. But you gotta admit...he/she knows how to play the game. Auctions like this demonstrate that people are willing to pay good money for what they think is a top-shelf 6139 if it is presented properly. There are others on Ebay which have sold for similar amounts, these were just amongst the first few I saw. It is amazing what some good pictures and a salesman's touch can do for one of these watches. Funny you should mention your "embargo" on us poor Yankees. I honestly don't like buying from the UK because you guys get kinda rapey with your shipping charges. Seems like everything costs me at least $30 to have sent out of your country! You are dead right. Beejooped is a expert in watch sales that is for certain. It's always the way with us humans. I call it bling syndrome. Make some thing old and crap look bright and shiny and watch them fight to buy it from you. I'd love to get what beejooped gets for his aftermarket watches for my genuine watches but I don't even come close! As for the embargo it is only on evilBay as they have not educated America about the pit falls attached to the GSP. I'm half American myself and lived in the states for a few years so it's nothing against the american nation! Your also correct our postal charges are theft by another name. I sent a bracelet to Tim the other day. It cost me £15GBP to send it first class international signed for which is $25 to you. I wanted to send two watches to the same guy in Germany fully insured and was charged £60GBP ($100USD) for the postal charges. It's lucky we are all billionares with butlers buttling for us in our castles here in the UK or we'd be screwed!
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