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Post by Groundhog66 on Jun 26, 2013 8:11:39 GMT -8
I just can't fall in love, with most of newer watch models...They just seem to lack the character, that vintage models bring to the table IMO. Also, I think hunting/acquiring a vintage piece, that is still in incredible condition, really ups the ante. What say you, what draws you to the vintage pieces over modern styles?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2013 8:23:26 GMT -8
I agree 100%....vintage seiko hunting is definitely where it's at for me. besides the obvious lure to having a piece with history, the designs that Seiko brought to market back then are just timeless. As I rebuild my previous collection I'm focusing solely on vintage pieces. In fact at the moment I'm finalizing a deal for a 6138-0040 "black bullhead". the fun part of a vintage project is sourcing correct parts, case restoration and the final assembly. What's even better in my book is lucking across a virtual "museum piece" in terms of condition such as the case with a '82 7548-700f and more recently my '79 6309-7049. just pristine watches requiring nothing more than new gaskets.
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Post by donciccio on Jun 26, 2013 8:24:54 GMT -8
Same reasons you stated. There is something about the style and character of the vintage models that just does it for me. Thats why I love it when a company pays homage to their vintage line and reissues it with a modern touch. Such as the Seiko models that they've brought back or what Hamilton did with the Pacer/Ventura and the Tag reissue of the Heuer Monaco.
I dig older things.
Also its a testament to the way things used to be made. Built to last. Now-a-days nothing is really made that way anymore.
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Post by sdoocms on Jun 26, 2013 8:42:35 GMT -8
I agree. Newer watches just have too much funk on the dial. Give me the rugged simplicity of a 6105, 6309, 7002, or the 7S26 SKX divers any day.
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Post by 69ChevelleSS on Jun 26, 2013 9:02:17 GMT -8
I like both vintage and new. While I don't own a 6105, I'd love to find a nice one but they are kind of pricey for my budget. I do love my 6309-7040 and my 7000s as well as my SKX007.
I also love my Stargate, my Sumo AND the Tuna wannabee. I've never yearned for any of the Monsters but I did hold one in hand and it was pretty impressive. Seeing what they go for on ebay, there is temptation!
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Post by cartshed on Jun 26, 2013 9:06:31 GMT -8
Yep, I agree with all of the above & I also quite like the fact that wherever I go, I'm probably the only guy wearing a vintage Seiko, as opposed to the sheeple that are all wearing the same, latest offering from whatever brands are considered trendy at the moment.
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Post by seikoholic on Jun 26, 2013 10:05:17 GMT -8
I've always been a fan of vintage everything - old was always better. at least in my opinion. Cars, clothing, styles, drinks, accessories, movies. I prefer the older styles especially in watches. It seems to me that in the pre-computer days, in order to be a designer, an engineer, a creator you had to really work harder and be more careful in your approach, perhaps in part because it took more time to create a finished product. Computer designs are wonderful but they're fast and on rails - it's relatively easy to churn out designs perhaps because the the creative options are limited by the fact of everyone using similar tool kits. And since the tools are the same, the outcome no matter how varied has sort of the same flavor. It's like university dorm food. It's all "different" but after awhile everything tastes the same. I first really noticed this when the new crop of football team logos started coming up in the '90s. They all sort of looked and felt the same, like they were generated by algorithm. Just my impression though. Another factor for me is one that unfortunately avoids innovation - new things are less desirable than the tried-and-true. Again, this is for me. It's sort of easier to like things that other people already like, and vintage models get more press. The new watches may actually be awesome, but perhaps I'm not seeing it, or so it seems sometimes. And then I look at the new Seiko quartz bullheads and say "no, the old designs were better because the designers were better". That said, my new 100m 7S36 is a pretty fantastic design, if you ask me.
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Post by 69ChevelleSS on Jun 26, 2013 10:12:14 GMT -8
I've always been a fan of vintage everything - old was always better. at least in my opinion. Cars, clothing, styles, drinks, accessories, movies. I prefer the older styles especially in watches. It seems to me that in the pre-computer days, in order to be a designer, an engineer, a creator you had to really work harder and be more careful in your approach, perhaps in part because it took more time to create a finished product. Computer designs are wonderful but they're fast and on rails - it's relatively easy to churn out designs perhaps because the the creative options are limited by the fact of everyone using similar tool kits. And since the tools are the same, the outcome no matter how varied has sort of the same flavor. It's like university dorm food. It's all "different" but after awhile everything tastes the same. I first really noticed this when the new crop of football team logos started coming up in the '90s. They all sort of looked and felt the same, like they were generated by algorithm. Just my impression though. Another factor for me is one that unfortunately avoids innovation - new things are less desirable than the tried-and-true. Again, this is for me. It's sort of easier to like things that other people already like, and vintage models get more press. The new watches may actually be awesome, but perhaps I'm not seeing it, or so it seems sometimes. And then I look at the new Seiko quartz bullheads and say "no, the old designs were better because the designers were better". That said, my new 100m 7S36 is a pretty fantastic design, if you ask me. One thing I've notice recently is that Seiko seems to have gotten lazy lately. Case in point . . . the hands on the watch Spencer shows above are the same as on the Sumo and the Stargate. I've also noticed that their bracelet designs are very similar. I looked at the bracelets on several of my latest Seikos and the bracelets are all virtually identical . . . . or at least VERY much alike!
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Post by seikoholic on Jun 26, 2013 10:15:12 GMT -8
That's a great point, Bob. Seiko was nuts about their bracelet choices in the old days, but now it's more "what do we have on the shelf" stuff.
As many have pointed out, the MM handset on a Stargate is a huge improvement on this blade-style that is on so many models. But back in the day they also used the same handsets on a variety of models. The 6139-6xxx handset was used on all kinds of stuff. Ditto for the 62mas set.
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Post by timewatcher on Jun 26, 2013 10:26:55 GMT -8
I prefer the Vintage over the new styles. Seems as if all the new look exactly the same and that's why I havent bothered buying anything new!
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Post by HiBeat on Jun 26, 2013 10:49:18 GMT -8
Yes we all love the Vintage Seiko thing. Always exciting to find a pristine piece, fun to restore and bring back a piece in need of TLC. Just this week I can say I've got one of each.
I cannot agree about the vintage styling being better than current. Those '70's TV watches are atrocious to my eye. Same thing with a lot of the weird dials that they used to sell millions upon millions of trendy watches back in their trendy heyday.
Modern Seikos can be really good looking. Some of the Seiko5 7S26's with smooth bezels and Dauphine hands evoke th GS's of the 60's and are a beauty to behold. The new FF Diver is beautiful. And how can anyone not fall in love with ANY of the new Grand Seiko mechanicals and Spring Drives?
It's all good in the world of Seiko hunting. Most are great to most of us. None are for everyone. Some are for no one.
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Post by 200meters on Jun 26, 2013 13:13:12 GMT -8
Is this new forum gonna be all about vintage watches? I get most of you guys are vintage collectors, but I'm way at the other end of the spectrum. Not that I don't like vintage because half my collection is vintage. But I'm also not self limiting either. I think I like to keep an open mind to new stuff too. In fact, I prefer it. Do I like every new design that comes out from Seiko? No! But I won't get hung up on just vintage pieces either. Cushion cases for example. I like them a lot, but that was a certain era past. I get that. I really don't expect for Seiko reissue those past designs we love because a small group of collectors sort of demand it. Sure, I would like them to, but I won't count on it. But looking at some of the newer designs, from 2000 forward, they've come up with some pretty unique designs that I find fantastic. I kinda view it this way...I appreciate the newer designs as much as do the older ones, to me each new design is some departure from the last. Then again, I'm a design engineer, so my perspective might be somewhat different. For me creativity plays a huge role. And I wish they would be more creative. I also wish they would make more mainstream type divers other than the SKX series. Fact is, the designers of the 60's & 70's are long gone. New designers are at the helm. I welcome their creativity. The stargate for example, a stunningly beautiful piece! Kudo's to the new era designers! Same could be said for others...Sumo, Sawtooth, Knight, Frankenmonster, Atlas, BFK, Spork, SKXA33, and countless other newer type designs that are a vast departure from legacy designs. I know I'm talking strictly divers here, but you get my point... I just hope threads about new stuff get the same discussion traction as the vintage. But I also understand the vintage collectors point of view, newer stuff just ain't your gig. Different strokes, as they say...
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Post by Groundhog66 on Jun 26, 2013 13:25:17 GMT -8
Is this new forum gonna be all about vintage watches? I get most of you guys are vintage collectors, but I'm way at the other end of the spectrum. Not that I don't like vintage because half my collection is vintage. But I'm also not self limiting either. I think I like to keep an open mind to new stuff too. In fact, I prefer it. Do I like every new design that comes out from Seiko? No! But I won't get hung up on just vintage pieces either. Cushion cases for example. I like them a lot, but that was a certain era past. I get that. I really don't expect for Seiko reissue those past designs we love because a small group of collectors sort of demand it. Sure, I would like them to, but I won't count on it. But looking at some of the newer designs, from 2000 forward, they've come up with some pretty unique designs that I find fantastic. I kinda view it this way...I appreciate the newer designs as much as do the older ones, to me each new design is some departure from the last. Then again, I'm a design engineer, so my perspective might be somewhat different. For me creativity plays a huge role. And I wish they would be more creative. I also wish they would make more mainstream type divers other than the SKX series. Fact is, the designers of the 60's & 70's are long gone. New designers are at the helm. I welcome their creativity. The stargate for example, a stunningly beautiful piece! Kudo's to the new era designers! Same could be said for others...Sumo, Sawtooth, Knight, Frankenmonster, Atlas, BFK, Spork, SKXA33, and countless other newer type designs that are a vast departure from legacy designs. I know I'm talking strictly divers here, but you get my point... I just hope threads about new stuff get the same discussion traction as the vintage. But I also understand the vintage collectors point of view, newer stuff just ain't your gig. Different strokes, as they say... You (and others) are free to start threads about your love for the modern models as well, there are no guidelines as to what can/cannot be discussed. This is an open forum my friend, please don't be shy when it comes to sharing your opinions.
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Post by mar52 on Jun 26, 2013 13:27:06 GMT -8
I agree with the person that said the new styles all look alike.
Some of the vintage watches have that same problem so I look for different styles... and colors which some of the vintage watches have.
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Post by seikoholic on Jun 26, 2013 13:29:53 GMT -8
Is this new forum gonna be all about vintage watches? I get most of you guys are vintage collectors, but I'm way at the other end of the spectrum. Not that I don't like vintage because half my collection is vintage. But I'm also not self limiting either. I think I like to keep an open mind to new stuff too. In fact, I prefer it. Do I like every new design that comes out from Seiko? No! But I won't get hung up on just vintage pieces either. Cushion cases for example. I like them a lot, but that was a certain era past. I get that. I really don't expect for Seiko reissue those past designs we love because a small group of collectors sort of demand it. Sure, I would like them to, but I won't count on it. But looking at some of the newer designs, from 2000 forward, they've come up with some pretty unique designs that I find fantastic. I kinda view it this way...I appreciate the newer designs as much as do the older ones, to me each new design is some departure from the last. Then again, I'm a design engineer, so my perspective might be somewhat different. For me creativity plays a huge role. And I wish they would be more creative. I also wish they would make more mainstream type divers other than the SKX series. Fact is, the designers of the 60's & 70's are long gone. New designers are at the helm. I welcome their creativity. The stargate for example, a stunningly beautiful piece! Kudo's to the new era designers! Same could be said for others...Sumo, Sawtooth, Knight, Frankenmonster, Atlas, BFK, Spork, SKXA33, and countless other newer type designs that are a vast departure from legacy designs. I know I'm talking strictly divers here, but you get my point... I just hope threads about new stuff get the same discussion traction as the vintage. But I also understand the vintage collectors point of view, newer stuff just ain't your gig. Different strokes, as they say... Hell no, watches are awesome. Not everyone likes everything, but talk about all of it! I'm wearing a brand-new 7S36-04Z0 right now!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2013 13:31:54 GMT -8
If the vintage stuff doesn't do it for you and you prefer the modern offering , by all means please feel free to post threads that pertain to your likes.... Others will surely chime right in.
This is a forum that centers around all Japanese watches both modern age and vintage era. We're happy discussing and sharing anything watch related.
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Post by 200meters on Jun 26, 2013 14:22:12 GMT -8
Thanks guys for straightening me out. I was worried for a moment because I like talking about some of the newer stuff. Kudos to this great new forum!!
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Post by serdal22 on Jun 26, 2013 14:24:56 GMT -8
I absolutely think the same as Tim. Other than legendary 007, 009 which are descendants of 7002 variations, somehow I am having hard time to like most of the new models.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2013 14:44:18 GMT -8
I like Vintage Seiko's , but i don't have any laugh1.gif
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Post by dad-the-diver on Jun 26, 2013 14:52:44 GMT -8
When I was 17 my Girlfriend was 26. Does that answer your question? Snigger................
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