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Post by timewatcher on Dec 1, 2014 16:28:22 GMT -8
I was reading the Pogue thread and was wondering about something....it says basically that the 6005 generally command the higher prices vs that of the 6002s like mine. Is my 6002 considered to be a Pogue then or is it just a Gold colored chronograph that everyone calls a Pogue? How much more generally do the 6005s sell for then the 6002s? Here is mine............  I am not asking because I am interested in selling but for general curiositys sake. TIA |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 17:40:12 GMT -8
aint got a clue but that's a really nice Pogue. Would make around £400-500GBP approx $750 if sold in the UK.
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Post by timewatcher on Dec 1, 2014 17:42:56 GMT -8
aint got a clue but that's a really nice Pogue. Would make around £400-500GBP approx $750 if sold in the UK. Are you kidding me? I would be VERY lucky if I could get $125.00 on the Sales Forum here!  |
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Post by Groundhog66 on Dec 1, 2014 17:50:58 GMT -8
aint got a clue but that's a really nice Pogue. Would make around £400-500GBP approx $750 if sold in the UK. Are you kidding me? I would be VERY lucky if I could get $125.00 on the Sales Forum here! You're wrong, Rene...it would go for quite a bit more than that. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 18:19:02 GMT -8
aint got a clue but that's a really nice Pogue. Would make around £400-500GBP approx $750 if sold in the UK. Are you kidding me? I would be VERY lucky if I could get $125.00 on the Sales Forum here! Send it to Tony and he can sell it over there for you! After his commission you would have ~$600 in your pocket 7dfe79adc2f0 |
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Post by timewatcher on Dec 1, 2014 18:20:32 GMT -8
That aint a 1/2 bad idea!
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Post by seikola on Dec 1, 2014 19:34:40 GMT -8
I think mine's considered a "True Pogue" being a 71 6005 resist with two line script, but I still consider all gold 600X's to be pogues.
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Post by timewatcher on Dec 1, 2014 19:43:58 GMT -8
I remember when I first became interested in watches I wanted a Pogue real bad and searched high and low for one in decent shape!
Now that I have one I find myself rarely wearing it! Dont get me wrong...... its one of my favs but just doesnt get much wrist time!
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Post by dasher on Dec 1, 2014 20:35:16 GMT -8
I tried very hard to cover all the bases regarding the "what is a true Pogue" question in that original Pogue thread. Starting out, the first answer that comes to mind is the only 6139 with a gold dial that the good Colonel wore. The discussion begins and ends right there for anyone applying a literal reading of the words. There is no other Pogue save that one.
For a slightly looser translation of the words, one would indeed point to a watch exactly like Seikola has shared - identical in every way except the serial number.
In terms of merely a "general understanding" of the nickname, one can then introduce ANY gold-dialed 6139 such as yours, Rene. I do NOT consider any blue or silver dialed 6139 to be a Pogue.
Regarding value, if properly listed on the 'bay, I've seen gold-dialed 6139s go for $250 and up. Properly listed and shipped all over God's green earth.
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Post by cobrajet25 on Dec 1, 2014 22:22:47 GMT -8
I always considered the "True Pogue" thing to be a lot of one-upsmanship and hooey, but it seems that 6139s which are exact clones of the 6139-6005 SN190945 the Colonel wore can bring a bit more money. As far as I am concerned, any 6139-600x is a Pogue, whether or not it is even yellow. Us WIS types may have originated the nickname, but it's use has spread beyond our control. And nowadays it seems to apply to any 6139-600x...like it or not.
I have not really noticed much of a difference amongst most models as far as price goes. Certainly not between otherwise equivalent 6139-6005s and 6139-6002s. Personally, I prefer the "Chronograph Automatic" dial of the -6002 to the "Automatic 17j" dial of the -6005. Typically, notched case examples with the two-piece seconds hand which are very early will command a bit more, as will the exact Pogue clones. Silver-dialed examples and Speed-Timers are almost another animal altogether.
Other than that, prices are pretty much all the same for the blue and yellow versions. More than anything, condition is the big factor in price.
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Post by estrickland on Dec 1, 2014 22:49:29 GMT -8
Agree that condition is the #1 factor, but FWIW when I was chasing my 6139-600x I was only interested on those matching the markings on the SN190945.
I didn't (and don't) plan on having more than one yellow 6139-600x, so one matching the first-automatic-chronograph-in-space was appealing.
Now that I have it, I might be more interested in finding a *very* early 6139-6000 instead - focusing more on the space race against Zenith/Heuer than the 1973 Skylab history.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 2:16:14 GMT -8
I think mine's considered a "True Pogue" being a 71 6005 resist with two line script, but I still consider all gold 600X's to be pogues.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 2:25:50 GMT -8
As for the name Pogue or Pepsi or even Janet what does it really matter? As long as we all know what they are is all that is important. Personally I call all the 6139-60xx Pogues blue, yellow, pink I'm not fussy. I'm a space/sci-fi geek so I just love the fact that this series of watches beat the likes of Omega into space  Another cool fact that people forget is this was the first fully automatic chronograph movement & watch in the world... or so Seiko's hype would have you believe. The official release date was around august 69? but I've seen some earlier. There was a 6139-6030 on evilBay the other day with a March 69 case. I would have brought the watch as the price wasn't terrible but the condition was not great and I have a nice 6030 anyway. Rene these watches make more in the UK but DO NOT USE THE Global Shipping Program (GSP) as it is UTTER CRAP!! It makes it very hard for Europe, Australasians or Asia to bid on ANY watches sold in the USA... as in we CANNOT! Before someone sticks up for the CRAPPY GSP it also DOUBLES what folk outside the USA such as Europe and Australasia & Asia and so on what we pay in import taxes. It's not evilBay that runs the GSP it's a external company and that is how they make their money! Make a point of offering FREE SHIPPING to the UK and Europe and just send it using USPS Priority International for approx $15. It's the old dangle the carrot to the donkey ploy and it works! Otherwise I'll be happy to sell it for you but you should be able to get top money if you do the above. Lots of good photos and I don't mean all lardy dah I mean just nice detailed photos close up and as many as possible. Just my worthless opinion. Tone |
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Post by cobrajet25 on Dec 2, 2014 3:19:32 GMT -8
As for the name Pogue or Pepsi or even Janet what does it really matter? As long as we all know what they are is all that is important. Personally I call all the 6139-60xx Pogues blue, yellow, pink I'm not fussy. I'm a space/sci-fi geek so I just love the fact that this series of watches beat the likes of Omega into space Another cool fact that people forget is this was the first fully automatic chronograph movement & watch in the world... or so Seiko's hype would have you believe. The official release date was around august 69? but I've seen some earlier. There was a 6139-6030 on evilBay the other day with a March 69 case. I would have brought the watch as the price wasn't terrible but the condition was not great and I have a nice 6030 anyway. Rene these watches make more in the UK but DO NOT USE THE Global Shipping Program (GSP) as it is UTTER CRAP!! It makes it very hard for Europe, Australasians or Asia to bid on ANY watches sold in the USA... as in we CANNOT! Before someone sticks up for the CRAPPY GSP it also DOUBLES what folk outside the USA such as Europe and Australasia & Asia and so on what we pay in import taxes. It's not evilBay that runs the GSP it's a external company and that is how they make their money! Make a point of offering FREE SHIPPING to the UK and Europe and just send it using USPS Priority International for approx $15. It's the old dangle the carrot to the donkey ploy and it works! Otherwise I'll be happy to sell it for you but you should be able to get top money if you do the above. Lots of good photos and I don't mean all lardy dah I mean just nice detailed photos close up and as many as possible. Just my worthless opinion. Tone The Omegas were in space first. The 6139 was the first automatic chronograph in space...not the first chronograph in space. The Speedmasters sent up were hand-winders, and were used years before an auto chrono even existed. NASA was worried that an automatic winding system would not work in zero G, but Pogue said he had no problems with it. I guess it wound itself with inertia? From what I understand, the official release for the 6139 was May, 1969, but production began in February, 1969. Seiko produced them for a few months before the release date so as to ensure a supply was available when people went to buy them. It is a practice they have continued to this day. I believe the Cal 11 was first available to consumers late in the summer, and the El Primero didn't hit store shelves until fall or maybe even winter. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 3:48:28 GMT -8
As for the name Pogue or Pepsi or even Janet what does it really matter? As long as we all know what they are is all that is important. Personally I call all the 6139-60xx Pogues blue, yellow, pink I'm not fussy. I'm a space/sci-fi geek so I just love the fact that this series of watches beat the likes of Omega into space Another cool fact that people forget is this was the first fully automatic chronograph movement & watch in the world... or so Seiko's hype would have you believe. The official release date was around august 69? but I've seen some earlier. There was a 6139-6030 on evilBay the other day with a March 69 case. I would have brought the watch as the price wasn't terrible but the condition was not great and I have a nice 6030 anyway. Rene these watches make more in the UK but DO NOT USE THE Global Shipping Program (GSP) as it is UTTER CRAP!! It makes it very hard for Europe, Australasians or Asia to bid on ANY watches sold in the USA... as in we CANNOT! Before someone sticks up for the CRAPPY GSP it also DOUBLES what folk outside the USA such as Europe and Australasia & Asia and so on what we pay in import taxes. It's not evilBay that runs the GSP it's a external company and that is how they make their money! Make a point of offering FREE SHIPPING to the UK and Europe and just send it using USPS Priority International for approx $15. It's the old dangle the carrot to the donkey ploy and it works! Otherwise I'll be happy to sell it for you but you should be able to get top money if you do the above. Lots of good photos and I don't mean all lardy dah I mean just nice detailed photos close up and as many as possible. Just my worthless opinion. Tone The Omegas were in space first. The 6139 was the first automatic chronograph in space...not the first chronograph in space. The Speedmasters sent up were hand-winders, and were used years before an auto chrono even existed. NASA was worried that an automatic winding system would not work in zero G, but Pogue said he had no problems with it. I guess it wound itself with inertia? From what I understand, the official release for the 6139 was May, 1969, but production began in February, 1969. Seiko produced them for a few months before the release date so as to ensure a supply was available when people went to buy them. It is a practice they have continued to this day. I believe the Cal 11 was first available to consumers late in the summer, and the El Primero didn't hit store shelves until fall or maybe even winter. I should have been clearer about the space race for watches I like this photo of Buzz showing his Omega off.  Interesting about the dates and it means the one on evilBay the other day was likely a pre release watch. I read so many conflicting versions of release dates and got two different versions from Seiko themselves! |
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Post by cobrajet25 on Dec 2, 2014 4:25:00 GMT -8
The Omegas were in space first. The 6139 was the first automatic chronograph in space...not the first chronograph in space. The Speedmasters sent up were hand-winders, and were used years before an auto chrono even existed. NASA was worried that an automatic winding system would not work in zero G, but Pogue said he had no problems with it. I guess it wound itself with inertia? From what I understand, the official release for the 6139 was May, 1969, but production began in February, 1969. Seiko produced them for a few months before the release date so as to ensure a supply was available when people went to buy them. It is a practice they have continued to this day. I believe the Cal 11 was first available to consumers late in the summer, and the El Primero didn't hit store shelves until fall or maybe even winter. I should have been clearer about the space race for watches I like this photo of Buzz showing his Omega off. Interesting about the dates and it means the one on evilBay the other day was likely a pre release watch. I read so many conflicting versions of release dates and got two different versions from Seiko themselves! Seiko seems to have made a lot of these before the actual release date. Although I have only seen one or two (I own one) from February, 1969, I have seen more than a few from March and quite a number from April and May. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 4:46:21 GMT -8
I should have been clearer about the space race for watches I like this photo of Buzz showing his Omega off. Interesting about the dates and it means the one on evilBay the other day was likely a pre release watch. I read so many conflicting versions of release dates and got two different versions from Seiko themselves! Seiko seems to have made a lot of these before the actual release date. Although I have only seen one or two (I own one) from February, 1969, I have seen more than a few from March and quite a number from April and May. I very recently wrote to a guy who had worked high up in the Seiko management Haranubu. Haranubu started with Seiko in the 1950's and was with them until 85 or there abouts. He said they use to release watches early to get the general view on how well they would sell. He said a few watches went around the world to top merchants as a 'sample' but he did say it was more a a bribe as in 'here have a free watch on us'. That is lovely you owning a Feb 69 watch congratulations! |
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Post by cobrajet25 on Dec 2, 2014 5:07:48 GMT -8
Seiko seems to have made a lot of these before the actual release date. Although I have only seen one or two (I own one) from February, 1969, I have seen more than a few from March and quite a number from April and May. I very recently wrote to a guy who had worked high up in the Seiko management Haranubu. Haranubu started with Seiko in the 1950's and was with them until 85 or there abouts. He said they use to release watches early to get the general view on how well they would sell. He said a few watches went around the world to top merchants as a 'sample' but he did say it was more a a bribe as in 'here have a free watch on us'. That is lovely you owning a Feb 69 watch congratulations! Weeeeell, not a "watch". Just a used case. It came in a parts lot with a few other watches. The serial number was not visible, so it came as a shock to me when it arrived. At the time we were debating the authenticity of the 3/1969 watches. Then a 2/1969 pops up!   |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 8:38:28 GMT -8
I very recently wrote to a guy who had worked high up in the Seiko management Haranubu. Haranubu started with Seiko in the 1950's and was with them until 85 or there abouts. He said they use to release watches early to get the general view on how well they would sell. He said a few watches went around the world to top merchants as a 'sample' but he did say it was more a a bribe as in 'here have a free watch on us'. That is lovely you owning a Feb 69 watch congratulations! Weeeeell, not a "watch". Just a used case. It came in a parts lot with a few other watches. The serial number was not visible, so it came as a shock to me when it arrived. At the time we were debating the authenticity of the 3/1969 watches. Then a 2/1969 pops up! All the early 6139s pre Aug 69 I've seen were also the 6030 series. I guess if you were making watches and you wanted to shout as loud as possible about your new range of sports dive watches coming out then what better way than to 'gift' a few sales pukes around the world with the spanking 21 jewel version. I asked Mr Mitsui about the 6139 watches and he just said 6138 a much nicer movement and that was it as far as he was concerned. |
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