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Post by seikoholic on Dec 2, 2014 12:10:34 GMT -8
This watch pictured below was listed late last night with a starting bid of $20. 20 hours later it's at $250.   |
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Post by sdoocms on Dec 2, 2014 12:18:04 GMT -8
That looks like mold on the dial. Did the seller show any movement pics?
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Post by timewatcher on Dec 2, 2014 12:22:03 GMT -8
Its making mine look more and more valuable!
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Post by seikoholic on Dec 2, 2014 12:24:02 GMT -8
That looks like mold on the dial. Did the seller show any movement pics? No movement pics. The flecks on the dial are totally normal (unfortunately) for the yellow dials. Jonathan explained it to me once, that the lacquer coating they used was very thin, and on these was prone to actually pinprick areas where it wasn't adhered or was in fact missing. When this happens, the gold surface can oxidize along with the brass underneath it, and here we are. It's normally seen on the sharp edge around the minute-counter subregister since the lacquer flowed away from that sharp transition around that dial, but clearly it happens in other places too. |
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Post by earthphase on Dec 2, 2014 13:24:35 GMT -8
You ask, but yet you would be the one to know.
What is a fair price for this one?
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Post by seikoholic on Dec 2, 2014 13:47:11 GMT -8
You ask, but yet you would be the one to know. What is a fair price for this one? Oh, I ain't askin'. I'm using this auction to illustrate a point - the days of these being sub-$200 watches in this general overall condition are long over. That said, $250 is a pretty high amount for this watch, but it could go higher, easily. |
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Post by earthphase on Dec 2, 2014 16:37:13 GMT -8
Is 250 high due to the dual condition??
Also the owner is the original owner. Purchased in 76. Also technically has box and manual.
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Post by seikoholic on Dec 2, 2014 17:17:43 GMT -8
Is 250 high due to the dual condition?? Also the owner is the original owner. Purchased in 76. Also technically has box and manual. I'd say on the positive side: - unfaded indicator ring
- pure white lume
- clearly original
- box / papers
On the "issues" side:
If the dial was excellent, this would be a $400-500 watch, the way prices on these are going. |
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Post by earthphase on Dec 3, 2014 6:46:24 GMT -8
Can the dial be touched up or is it a lost cause?
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Post by seikoholic on Dec 3, 2014 12:41:47 GMT -8
Can the dial be touched up or is it a lost cause? It is what it is, and there's no way to guarantee or ensure that the spots / degredation won't progress that I know of. |
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Post by Groundhog66 on Dec 4, 2014 20:47:51 GMT -8
It still amazes me, how much value some folks put on a box & manual.
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Post by Adrian-VTA on Dec 4, 2014 21:49:38 GMT -8
To fix that you'd need to do a "re-dial". Making watch dials is actually really complicated and specialised. So far, there's no GOOD way to fix this kind of patina. The ROLEX guys refer to it as a "tropical dial". Here's a quick video on how a sunburst dial is made - www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4tVvT9Y98wThat doesn't show how the printing is added, so here's one that does - www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNWs4r9Q0A4Can the dial be touched up or is it a lost cause? |
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Post by earthphase on Dec 5, 2014 6:56:33 GMT -8
It still amazes me, how much value some folks put on a box & manual. Not so much for lesser value watches, but when you start getting into higher prices I like to have box and papers simply form the standpoint that it is an easier sale down the road. |
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Post by Groundhog66 on Dec 5, 2014 8:14:34 GMT -8
It still amazes me, how much value some folks put on a box & manual. Not so much for lesser value watches, but when you start getting into higher prices I like to have box and papers simply form the standpoint that it is an easier sale down the road. I understand your point...but if you grossly overpay for the additional accessories, you're seriously minimizing your buyer pool down the road. |
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Post by cobrajet25 on Dec 6, 2014 1:19:53 GMT -8
Not so much for lesser value watches, but when you start getting into higher prices I like to have box and papers simply form the standpoint that it is an easier sale down the road. I understand your point...but if you grossly overpay for the additional accessories, you're seriously minimizing your buyer pool down the road. Boxes and papers are much less often seen with "cheaper" watches, which, ironically, makes the box and papers worth more relative to the actual watch. Or so it seems to me. |
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