SEIKO E029

[Adrian-VTA]

Hey Guys,

I've just been doing some work on an E029 movement, and I thought I'd put up some pics of noteworthy features of the movement -

Micro conductive tracks (at 20x magnification). These are on the back of the LCD display.



Mini conductive block (at 20x), check out the tiny tracks, they interface between the module and LCD.



Like running your quartz till it stops?

Here's why you shouldn't. That brown stuff? that's wear and dry oil.

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I tell folk the same with my clocks. It's mechanical and uses oil for lubrication so it needs a service now and then. You don't use your car until the engine seizes soild before getting it serviced so why treat your clocks and watches this way

[seikola]

Dec 21, 2014 1:47:07 GMT -8 @cockroach said:

I tell folk the same with my clocks. It's mechanical and uses oil for lubrication so it needs a service now and then. You don't use your car until the engine seizes soild before getting it serviced so why treat your clocks and watches this way

Oil and dirt make great grinding paste, although I don't do clocks  I should imagine Dirt, oil, and orientation must make for lots of oval pivot holes

seikola

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Dec 21, 2014 1:47:07 GMT -8 @cockroach said:

I tell folk the same with my clocks. It's mechanical and uses oil for lubrication so it needs a service now and then. You don't use your car until the engine seizes soild before getting it serviced so why treat your clocks and watches this way

And yet they will still stand up and proudly proclaim they never get their watches serviced

[longbike]

That's right too, and I know a guy here with the same theory and

he has one of those ...... " " Panerai's ". Rich too so he says

if it breaks I'll get a new one. But I have a couple more at home.

Then he says ..." These are guaranteed to run a long time ".

I told him please call me before you throw it in the trash can.

He told me sure I will even give it to you when I see you.

All I could do was ....... " Smile " and say .... Yes, Yes, Yes.

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Dec 21, 2014 7:07:11 GMT -8 seikola said:

Dec 21, 2014 1:47:07 GMT -8 @cockroach said:

I tell folk the same with my clocks. It's mechanical and uses oil for lubrication so it needs a service now and then. You don't use your car until the engine seizes soild before getting it serviced so why treat your clocks and watches this way

Oil and dirt make great grinding paste, although I don't do clocks  I should imagine Dirt, oil, and orientation must make for lots of oval pivot holes

seikola

Most clocks such as the Seiko clocks were really only designed to last a few years so it's a testament to the makers that most of these clocks even exist let alone still tick which I truly believe with the watches also.

On the clock front I have seen both sides of the story and the truth is over 200 years a clock that is oiled once a year and fully serviced say every 10 years is still in tip top condition where as a clock that has not been oiled for years wears out pivots and even cuts through it's own plates.

Clocks are a bit different as they are more open to dirt but the facts are even with dust floating into contact with the clocks I work with as long as they are oiled they 'do not' turn into a grinding paste. They just dry out and stop. Too much oil can stop a clock but not through wear. Watches are sealed units compared to the clocks I work with so I'd say the same rules apply it's just over a longer time period. I'd look at makers such as TAG, OMEGA, ROLEX and see what they recommend as a service period or even Seiko themselves and then if you really want a watch to last I'd stick to that and you can't go wrong.

I have seen a 6139 movement where a hole was oval and it was a watch that had not been serviced in years.

That's just through my experience of 20 years working with old clocks and I'm no watch expert but I can't see why it would be vastly different. You'd have to ask someone like Spencer with years of experience working with all types of watches in various conditions for a true idea on what is best for a watch.

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Out of interest an example of how much oil is needed it goes like this. The pivot and the pivot hole should both be polished to a mirror finish. This not only makes them move with least friction possible it also pushes the metal molecules close together and hardens both surfaces. On a newly build clock you shouldn't need oil to make it go. It just lubricates both surfaces and slows down wear. To lubricate a clock pivot you just need a Brazil nut. You place the pivot on the nut and twist away for a few seconds. That should be enough lube for a year or more. That is providing the pivots are polished correctly.

Another thing I'd like to add is if you service a mechanical item regular you stand more chance of noticing issues before they become major problems.

Anyway it's down to each to their own I reckon. Just my thoughts about from a clock guys perspective.