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Post by Groundhog66 on Jan 2, 2015 18:06:35 GMT -8
It was brought to my attention, that the hr/min hands on this one might not be correct. Also, do you believe the day wheel (English/Chinese) is original to this model?  |
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Post by pollythecat on Jan 2, 2015 23:36:49 GMT -8
If I had to put money on it I would say the hour and minute hands look OK, possibly the lighting does not help their appearance but the chrono hands on all my 6012's are red.
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Post by philsinclair on Jan 3, 2015 1:12:23 GMT -8
Hi. I have one the same October 0 year resist/resist. I don't know it it is totally OEM but I like it and have owned it for at least 10 years. The hour and minute hands appear to be the same as yours, the hand in the subdial on mine appears redder. My second hand is thinner and is held in place by a steel coloured pin which goes through the hand. Yours appears to be a one piece hand and pin. Don't know which is correct, will research. Cheers Phil
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Post by philsinclair on Jan 3, 2015 1:21:16 GMT -8
Yeah. Had a look. Mine is wrong , yours is right. If this is the watch you have been trying to sell, I suggest ite goes on eBay and chase double the money you have been asking. Cheers Phil
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 1:32:41 GMT -8
All looks ok to me. One of the best examples I have seen. On TOF I was shown a NOS one as I was worried about one I owned having the 'same' colour hands as yours and those colours are spot on. I don't know about the chinese day ring but why not I'm sure they have Seikos in China. One of the best untouched examples I've seen and as said would be double that money on evilbay but then you have all the crap that goes with selling on there plus the fee's. I'd rather take less and not deal with them personally.
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Post by cobrajet25 on Jan 3, 2015 2:48:48 GMT -8
Chrono hands are wrong. These only came with red...looks like you have orange and yellow. But I am sure you knew that. The H/M hands look odd...like they are too narrow? They don't seem to have enough lume in them. I don't think they are original. And I have a couple of these with Chinese daywheels, so you are okay there. Here is a recent one I got, from early '71.  |
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Post by cobrajet25 on Jan 3, 2015 2:50:53 GMT -8
Hi. I have one the same October 0 year resist/resist. I don't know it it is totally OEM but I like it and have owned it for at least 10 years. The hour and minute hands appear to be the same as yours, the hand in the subdial on mine appears redder. My second hand is thinner and is held in place by a steel coloured pin which goes through the hand. Yours appears to be a one piece hand and pin. Don't know which is correct, will research. Cheers Phil The "two-piece" seconds hand, with the hub, is correct for watches made from '69 through about '70. Watches from '71-up use the "one-piece" hand. There is some overlap in 1971-1972. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 4:00:03 GMT -8
Hi. I have one the same October 0 year resist/resist. I don't know it it is totally OEM but I like it and have owned it for at least 10 years. The hour and minute hands appear to be the same as yours, the hand in the subdial on mine appears redder. My second hand is thinner and is held in place by a steel coloured pin which goes through the hand. Yours appears to be a one piece hand and pin. Don't know which is correct, will research. Cheers Phil The "two-piece" seconds hand, with the hub, is correct for watches made from '69 through about '70. Watches from '71-up use the "one-piece" hand. There is some overlap in 1971-1972. Ah crap I thought I still had a link to a 1970 Seiko catalogue where the 6139-600x series had a single piece seconds hand but I can't find it for now. Considering these hands were made to be replaced at each service it's lucky any still have their original hands  |
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Post by cobrajet25 on Jan 3, 2015 4:28:10 GMT -8
The "two-piece" seconds hand, with the hub, is correct for watches made from '69 through about '70. Watches from '71-up use the "one-piece" hand. There is some overlap in 1971-1972. Ah crap I thought I still had a link to a 1970 Seiko catalogue where the 6139-600x series had a single piece seconds hand but I can't find it for now. Considering these hands were made to be replaced at each service it's lucky any still have their original hands These aren't "hard" dates. Just guesstimates, which is usually all Seiko leaves us with! It's a shame Seiko redesigned the chrono hands to be disposable. I really prefer the original adjustable hands. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 4:40:20 GMT -8
Ah crap I thought I still had a link to a 1970 Seiko catalogue where the 6139-600x series had a single piece seconds hand but I can't find it for now. Considering these hands were made to be replaced at each service it's lucky any still have their original hands These aren't "hard" dates. Just guesstimates, which is usually all Seiko leaves us with! It's a shame Seiko redesigned the chrono hands to be disposable. I really prefer the original adjustable hands. From what you've said I think your about spot on with the dates of the hand change overs. I didn't notice Tims watch was a 69 model before I opened my big gob.... I've not seen any 1969 proof models without split second hand. The 70 catalogue I've seen was likely printed late in 1970 and the watches were the 'facelift' model with the solid hand. That said it seems never say never when it comes to Seikos is about right. All that tosh about hands aside this is a friggin' cheap watch! I've had two people ask about it so far just in general, one of which is a forum member. I'm considering taking it myself even though it's not my 'style' of watch just because it's that cheap and nice. I might still pop on it so if anyone is on the fence about buying this watch I'd jump now before it's too late. |
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Post by Groundhog66 on Jan 3, 2015 7:42:05 GMT -8
Great info, guys...thank you!
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Post by turk11042 on Jan 3, 2015 7:48:20 GMT -8
Chrono hands are wrong. These only came with red...looks like you have orange and yellow. But I am sure you knew that. The H/M hands look odd...like they are too narrow? They don't seem to have enough lume in them. I don't think they are original. And I have a couple of these with Chinese daywheels, so you are okay there. Here is a recent one I got, from early '71. I thought that same thing about the h/m hands, they should be wider, almost as wide at the tips as the lume dots. I think these are 6139 hands, but from a different/later model. I didn't know there were Chinese day wheels on the early 6139s, but if you've got one then I guess they did. I thought that was a later modification someone added. |
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Post by Groundhog66 on Jan 3, 2015 8:03:38 GMT -8
If the hr/min hands are incorrect, I wonder which model they are from?
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Post by scubarob99 on Jan 3, 2015 9:33:30 GMT -8
Here's mine...hands are as orange as your second hand. Rob  |
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Post by turk11042 on Jan 3, 2015 10:57:51 GMT -8
If the hr/min hands are incorrect, I wonder which model they are from? They look similar in shape to hands I've seen on some 6139-7060s, but not exact (the 7060 hands had a center stripe). I definitely think they're Seiko hands, I'm just not sure from where. |
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Post by excelfouru on Jan 4, 2015 6:07:52 GMT -8
Admittedly not knowing or caring if this is original this is the one that I have to compare it to. Charlie  
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 14:05:30 GMT -8
If the hr/min hands are incorrect, I wonder which model they are from? I bet they are just genuine Seiko replacements from a previous service when 6139 hands were available. Remember the second hand was meant to be replaced during services originally. They just all went to the lower production cost single hand around 70/71. |
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Post by Groundhog66 on Jan 4, 2015 14:07:44 GMT -8
If the hr/min hands are incorrect, I wonder which model they are from? I bet they are just genuine Seiko replacements from a previous service when 6139 hands were available. Remember the second hand was meant to be replaced during services originally. They just all went to the lower production cost single hand around 70/71. Unfortunately, I guess we can only assume at this point. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 14:41:50 GMT -8
The hands are incorrect for the 6139 chronographs. They are actually thin baton hands from the 6119-6400 series sport divers from the early 70's There should also be a 2 piece sweep hand present as your chrono is a "proof" model. The minute register hand should be red in color. Here's a shot of my '71 "resist" for comparison. Your hand set should be identical to mine  |
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Post by Groundhog66 on Jan 5, 2015 5:36:53 GMT -8
That's for the info, Shawn...I guess it's just another mutt. At least it's running accurately, and functioning properly. |
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