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Post by okposo on Mar 26, 2015 13:16:28 GMT -8
I'm new to Seiko; interest was started after recently picking up my first, a Pogue. Of course that leads to me wanting more, not that I need more watches (I'm sure many hear can say the same thing). My interest in watches is almost always non-quartz, and tends to lean towards vintage. That being said, what is considered the most desirable mechanical vintage Seiko diver? I assume opinions will vary, but I'd like to hear them. I certainly like the 6159-7010 (7019) Tunas and was wondering how difficult it is to find a good example.
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Post by toxicavenger on Mar 26, 2015 13:18:54 GMT -8
For me quality/price wise/comfort/looks and being a bad ass the 6309 does it all for me.
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Post by sdoocms on Mar 26, 2015 13:26:01 GMT -8
JMHO 6309 or 6306. The 62MAS and the 6105 are also at the top but good versions of those two models are getting hard to find and they have become quite expensive.
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Post by dasher on Mar 26, 2015 13:38:13 GMT -8
6215-7000.
If the 6159 doesn't make your wallet pucker up, shoot for a 6215! With the right amount of patience and money, a very nice example of ANY vintage Seiko can be found.
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Post by estrickland on Mar 26, 2015 13:42:01 GMT -8
The 6159-7010 is a legendary watch, I'd say the most historic of any of the vintage Seiko divers (except possibly the 62Mas for being the first) - but given its size, style, and production volume it's not the most desired. That, using price as a measure, goes to the 1967/8 6215-7000, Seiko's first 300m dive watch, which introduced much of the design language for the modern MarineMaster, and features a distinct 'countdown' bezel. The 6215 was quickly replaced by the better spec'd hi-beat 6159-7001, but the 6215 commands a price premium due to its primacy and smaller production volume (despite many preferring the 6159). This premium used to be at least 2x, but the 6159-7001 has been climbing fast. Now, it's as low as 1.5x. Many people's favorite diver is not one of these, though - preferring the 6217, 6105-800x, 6105-811x, 630x, etc... These are all great, desirable vintage divers - and you can't go wrong with any of them, as long as you're patient and wait for the right opportunity. Condition, condition, condition. There's often a 6159-7010 (Tuna) on sale somewhere, but price/condition may keep them there for a while. 6159's surface occasionally, and 6215's rarely - often months between sightings but sometimes a few in quick succession. I can say with a certainty, though, that if you're patient (on the scale of months-to-years) and are methodical about your search, you can pretty much find whatever you're looking for. Or, at least you could if you started a few years ago. For reference, here's my 6215:  ... and my Seiko diver lineup:  |
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Post by okposo on Mar 26, 2015 14:03:46 GMT -8
Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated.
Estrickland: fantastic line up of divers. Love the no date omega SM300. I'm still feeling the pain of just missing out on one a few months ago. Literally hesitated for 5 minutes, then it was sold. Always more out there though.
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Post by estrickland on Mar 26, 2015 14:30:08 GMT -8
Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. Estrickland: fantastic line up of divers. Love the no date omega SM300. I'm still feeling the pain of just missing out on one a few months ago. Literally hesitated for 5 minutes, then it was sold. Always more out there though. Thanks, and good luck. Hope the SM300 wasn't mine! |
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Post by okposo on Mar 26, 2015 14:46:36 GMT -8
Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. Estrickland: fantastic line up of divers. Love the no date omega SM300. I'm still feeling the pain of just missing out on one a few months ago. Literally hesitated for 5 minutes, then it was sold. Always more out there though. Thanks, and good luck. Hope the SM300 wasn't mine! No, wasn't yours! This one was the date version. Prefer the no date, but I was stupid to hesitate because it was in very nice original condition, never messed with. |
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Post by estrickland on Mar 26, 2015 15:08:01 GMT -8
Thanks, and good luck. Hope the SM300 wasn't mine! No, wasn't yours! This one was the date version. Prefer the no date, but I was stupid to hesitate because it was in very nice original condition, never messed with. Yeah, those are hard to come by - largely because Omega continued to make parts and sell them to the public for a reasonable price (which is awesome). Mine is all-original untouched except a NOS crystal. Bought from family friend of 1st owner, with papers. Took a few years to find, but I think that's a feature - gives you time to know what you're looking for, what to pay, etc...   |
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Post by okposo on Mar 26, 2015 15:16:07 GMT -8
Wow, just beautiful. So many of the bezel inserts have splits and cracks, but yours is fantastic. Well, in the unlikely event that you decide to sell, you know where your buyer is! I'll just have to live vicariously through your pics in the meantime...
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Post by estrickland on Mar 26, 2015 15:29:02 GMT -8
Wow, just beautiful. So many of the bezel inserts have splits and cracks, but yours is fantastic. Well, in the unlikely event that you decide to sell, you know where your buyer is! I'll just have to live vicariously through your pics in the meantime... Thanks! Unfortunately, the watch came with dibs as a condition of sale. Anyway - good luck with your search. I like your taste in watches, so looking forward to your WRUW/WOTW! |
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Post by okposo on Mar 26, 2015 15:40:13 GMT -8
Wow, just beautiful. So many of the bezel inserts have splits and cracks, but yours is fantastic. Well, in the unlikely event that you decide to sell, you know where your buyer is! I'll just have to live vicariously through your pics in the meantime... Thanks! Unfortunately, the watch came with dibs as a condition of sale. Anyway - good luck with your search. I like your taste in watches, so looking forward to your WRUW/WOTW! Understood. It's always a long shot, but stranger things have happened. I would have been surprised if dibs hadn't been called! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 1:37:59 GMT -8
62MAS or by it's model number 6217-8000 but over priced and over rated. 6105-8000 & 6105-8110 better value for money and better watches full stop in my opinion having owned them all.
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Post by estrickland on Mar 27, 2015 1:53:18 GMT -8
62MAS or by it's model number 6217-8000 but over priced and over rated. 6105-8000 & 6105-8110 better value for money and better watches full stop in my opinion having owned them all. I'd rank the non-tuna vintage divers: 6215 > 6159 > 6217 > 6105-811x > 6105-800x > 6306 > 6309. But I'd guess we'd get pretty different answers from the board. |
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Post by philsinclair on Mar 27, 2015 3:36:03 GMT -8
Yep. 6215 the one I don't have. Cheers Phil
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Post by mwbuss8 on Mar 28, 2015 1:10:45 GMT -8
That's a very relative question... are you asking as a hobbyist or collector? If you're a collector, then the rarist or most saught after is answered above with 6215, 6217, 6159, etc. but if you're a hobbyist like me, the most desirable is simply the one you want. Right now my most desirable is another pulsar y514-6009 exactly like the one on my wrist, because it fits perfectly. It is incredibly comfortable, and it shares parts with the classic seikos (y514=7545 and it uses a 6309 crown/stem). I have no desire for a 6309-704x, even though I seem to be alone on that one. If I came across a wonderful deal on a 6105 I might try it, but again, not a lot of desire. Desire isn't determined by someone else, it's about you.
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Post by antfarm on Mar 28, 2015 8:50:12 GMT -8
estrickland: Beautiful collection... Love the 62Mas divers and the 6215... I have been looking for nice 62Mas... What is in the lower left next to the Omega? Is that a Vulcain?
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Post by estrickland on Mar 28, 2015 9:27:05 GMT -8
estrickland: Beautiful collection... Love the 62Mas divers and the 6215... I have been looking for nice 62Mas... What is in the lower left next to the Omega? Is that a Vulcain? Thanks. Yeah it's a 2011 Vulcain Nautical Heritage LE - the 50th anniversary homage to their legendary 1961 300m alarm diver. They made a much more limited edition Nautical Trophy, with a hobnail bezel:  ... but I prefer the Heritage as it's as close as you can get to the original Nautical:  The real deal is on my wishlish, but haven't found the right opportunity yet. |
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