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Post by josejmartinez on Jul 5, 2013 18:07:39 GMT -8
Ok, we have some "Native Mexican" aka "Indian" reservations in this part of Mexico. Many years ago to pacify the Yaqui tribes (ca. 1910)... and this was before any exotic plumbing or pumps, the government gave them 50% right to the water of the Rio Yaqui. The city of Hermosillo, the capital of the state distant about 180 mi from the river is being fed water from the Rio Yaqui. The indians are ticked-off and Hy 15 which goes on the Mexican side of Nogales, AZ to Mexico City (ca. 1300 mi) has been blocked by the indians since almost one month ago. Alternate routes to get things from south to north of the blockade in impossible since alternate routes are very few. Things that are imported via Tijuana or Nogales cannot keep going south. Farm products are spoiling, things are starting to get more expensive and in short this is starting to cost a bunch of millions of dollars... azstarnet.com/news/local/tim-steller-highway-shut-in-sonora-water-dispute/article_c6d264d3-c61a-549a-bec7-c2a2a3a73b98.html#.UcTUam4jems.facebook |
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Post by SpinDoctor on Jul 6, 2013 5:15:39 GMT -8
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Post by kingrat on Jul 6, 2013 8:22:08 GMT -8
Let me try to understand this. These Native Indians whose ancestors were slaughtered into near extinction, who lost all their hunting grounds and buffalo, who got moved onto shitty reserves where many of them starved to death, are now protesting about losing their water too?!?!
What is up with these people.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2013 9:00:36 GMT -8
Let me try to understand this. These Native Indians whose ancestors were slaughtered into near extinction, who lost all their hunting grounds and buffalo, who got moved onto shitty reserves where many of them starved to death, are now protesting about losing their water too?!?! What is up with these people. I wouldn't feel too sorry for them. Before the white man came to that part of the world; the yaqui were the most feared by all the other tribes/groups. They were merciless marauders who sneak into a village, murder the men, most of the women and take the children as slaves. They visited worse atrocities on their own kind than the white men ever did(small pox withstanding). What happened to the Yaqui is inexcuseable but their current actions are likely to end in even more hurt  |
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Post by kingrat on Jul 6, 2013 9:20:10 GMT -8
Let me try to understand this. These Native Indians whose ancestors were slaughtered into near extinction, who lost all their hunting grounds and buffalo, who got moved onto shitty reserves where many of them starved to death, are now protesting about losing their water too?!?! What is up with these people. I wouldn't feel too sorry for them. Before the white man came to that part of the world; the yaqui were the most feared by all the other tribes/groups. They were merciless marauders who sneak into a village, murder the men, most of the women and take the children as slaves. They visited worse atrocities on their own kind than the white men ever did(small pox withstanding). What happened to the Yaqui is inexcuseable but their current actions are likely to end in even more hurt Pete during those times and we arent talking a very long time ago wasn't everyone sneaking into villages and taking people as slaves;-) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2013 9:39:18 GMT -8
I wouldn't feel too sorry for them. Before the white man came to that part of the world; the yaqui were the most feared by all the other tribes/groups. They were merciless marauders who sneak into a village, murder the men, most of the women and take the children as slaves. They visited worse atrocities on their own kind than the white men ever did(small pox withstanding). What happened to the Yaqui is inexcuseable but their current actions are likely to end in even more hurt Pete during those times and we arent talking a very long time ago wasn't everyone sneaking into villages and taking people as slaves;-) Yes; many of the great nations that existed before the white man came took slaves. But it wasn't generally by sneaking into the other guy's village. During those times; pre 1500s; wars were waged and prisoners were taken. Some where used for sacrifice but many were simply kept as slaves. The Mexica and other nations often staged 'flowery wars' where killing the enemy was not the goal; rather capturing as many of the other guys was the whole point. From what I have read; slaves in those times in Meso America were treated fairly well. The slave owners generally recognized that a happy healthy slave was an asset and should the occasion arise that required selling a slave; they would bring a better price. The Yaqui of those times were known as ruthless barbarians. |
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Post by kingrat on Jul 6, 2013 9:53:28 GMT -8
I was talking a little closer to home
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Post by josejmartinez on Jul 6, 2013 10:49:29 GMT -8
The past is the past... the now is what is affecting us... most of who did not have anything to do with this problem. The treaty of the water was given as a "pacifier" for crying kids. Now many years later they are making an issue out of their water. In Mexico most Indians are integrated. The majority will say they are Indian because it is convenient on festival occasions, but these guys--the Yaquies are like in many US reservations, not to much into the "Work" endeavor. Here in Mexico, they mostly rent their land and others are the ones that farm. Hermosillo is a city close to 3/4 of a million ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermosillo) and its industry is growing. The city suffers from water supply. The government seems to be taking a spectator part in the problem of the blockade. Sheer nonsense this blockade, someone must be making money and many are suffering because of this. I can foresee bullets from the army calming people down as soon as the government starts participating, and they could have started easy way before. Things like these hurt Tourism...and a lot of other things. |
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Post by josejmartinez on Jul 6, 2013 11:39:15 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2013 11:43:19 GMT -8
I was talking a little closer to home Do you mean the sex slave trade business that is very alive and well in North America? |
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Post by kingrat on Jul 6, 2013 11:49:56 GMT -8
Hadn't thought of that mate, yep apparently flourishing over here in Europe too. No I meant the slave trade that us English used to operate out of Africa.
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Post by josejmartinez on Jul 6, 2013 12:02:53 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2013 12:03:00 GMT -8
Hadn't thought of that mate, yep apparently flourishing over here in Europe too. No I meant the slave trade that us English used to operate out of Africa. Of course I never even thought of the obvious embarrassed-smiley-face I do believe that there was a lot of complicity with other African tribes who did the sneaking and then sold the slaves to the English. The English did on occasion do their own sneaking but it was easier and safer to just buy them from other tribes and be the middle men. The unfortunate part is how the slaves were treated once the got into the hands of the English slave traders. They were jammed into the holds of ships and packed like sardines. A normal cruise meant that the slaves were made to lay on their sides and as close together as possible so the maximum human cargo could be loaded. This was called 'tight pack'. On the luxury cruises; the slaves were allowed to lay on their backs or fronts shoulder to shoulder. This was called 'loose pack'. Often half to three quarters of the slaves would perish before reaching the new world and were unceremoniously tossed over board. For many; life didn't improve much once they were bought and set to hard labour on plantations. |
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Post by dad-the-diver on Jul 6, 2013 14:19:52 GMT -8
Pete, when your right, your right embarrassed-smiley-face
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Post by kingrat on Jul 6, 2013 15:31:17 GMT -8
Fukin shameful
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2013 16:10:28 GMT -8
I can almost sympathize with those poor buggers. Too many times I've had to fly on those jumbos and got stuck between 'super sized' fellow passengers. Thank god none of my journeys lasted more than a few hours; just imagine what a 70 to 100 day sailing must have been like for these people. They were chained together for the entire trip; nearly starved to death and left to lay in their own excrement! Phuk; if I had a time machine and a Startrek phaser; I would go back and crispify all those phuktard slavers; slapping; whip.gifand then machine-gun before I asked them politely to phuk off and die. |
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Post by dad-the-diver on Jul 7, 2013 4:06:04 GMT -8
I can almost sympathize with those poor buggers. Too many times I've had to fly on those jumbos and got stuck between 'super sized' fellow passengers. Thank god none of my journeys lasted more than a few hours; just imagine what a 70 to 100 day sailing must have been like for these people. They were chained together for the entire trip; nearly starved to death and left to lay in their own excrement! Phuk; if I had a time machine and a Startrek phaser; I would go back and crispify all those phuktard slavers; slapping; whip.gifand then machine-gun before I asked them politely to phuk off and die. Pete, I served in Bosnia for 6 months. I cant relate all the depraved inhuman stuff I had to deal with. But the one good thing myself & my mates did while serving under a "UN Berret" was help bust-up a "Slavery Ring" girls aged between 11 & 16 were grabbed, tricked or just plain brought. They were packed sardine style into trucks/ships & sent all over the world. Some were recovered in sweat shops & whore-houses as far as Mexico/USA & to my shame even in my own UK. Remember we're talking the 1990's here!! The local ringleader was tracked down to a little shit-hole town called "Pale" south of "Sarajevo" he was a truly evil individual. His party trick was to beat stubborn girls to death with a gulf club. Worst part was he would offer them the gulf bag then make them pick the club he was to use. Anyway, he was caught & put on trial. He "sadly" was killed by another inmate (who was never caught) by sticking a gulf club up his "3rd hole" before he was sentenced. So I have some affinity with your view. |
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Post by josejmartinez on Jul 7, 2013 7:32:19 GMT -8
I just saw the film TRADE starring Kevin Kline on Netflix. It gives an exposé of what human trade and prostitution slavery is. I highly recommend it.
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