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Post by hds on Jan 5, 2019 8:33:01 GMT -8
Hello, a total Newbie here. After getting a nice 6105, I'm looking at a 6309 6306, this one from eBay, which is a place that always makes me a bit nervous ;-). What do you think of this one?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 8:34:51 GMT -8
You are right to be nervous...that is a 6306
Apart from that, the bezel insert is one of the lesser quality after market pieces. Dila is good and hands also look original. The crystal is probably AM as well.
So don't pay top dollar for this one. There are still lots of good all original 6306-700x models out there.
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Post by hds on Jan 5, 2019 8:34:58 GMT -8
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Post by hds on Jan 5, 2019 8:35:57 GMT -8
You are right to be nervous...that is a 6306 Sorry, my bad, it's of course the Japanese version, the 6306 I am looking for ;-). Argh. I just wondered about the bezel and that smear on the hands, could be a relume, could be just grime/rust... what do you think.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 8:42:59 GMT -8
You are right to be nervous...that is a 6306 Sorry, my bad, it's of course the Japanese version, the 6306 I am looking for ;-). Argh. I just wondered about the bezel and that smear on the hands, could be a relume, could be just grime/rust... what do you think. As siad, the insert is not original nor made by Seiko.
On these old watches, the hand lume and the dial lume seldom match exactly. That is because the lume on the hands can have light enter from the back while the dial lume is applied over silver paint. Often the hands get mungy first and they are either replaced or relumed. It's hard to tel if these ones habe been touched or are just naturally that way from age and moisture.
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Post by seikoshepherd on Jan 5, 2019 8:43:37 GMT -8
You are right to be nervous...that is a 6306 Sorry, my bad, it's of course the Japanese version, the 6306 I am looking for ;-). Argh. I just wondered about the bezel and that smear on the hands, could be a relume, could be just grime/rust... what do you think. The day change at 7:57pm would concern me a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 8:45:56 GMT -8
Sorry, my bad, it's of course the Japanese version, the 6306 I am looking for ;-). Argh. I just wondered about the bezel and that smear on the hands, could be a relume, could be just grime/rust... what do you think. The day change at 7:57pm would concern me a bit. Correct; this means that the date would have changed 1 1/2 to 2 hours previously which is not right. Someone has been inside and not reassembled the movement correctly
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Post by hds on Jan 5, 2019 8:46:20 GMT -8
>There are still lots of good all original 6306-700x models out there Bit hard to find these days. And I really have a hard time seeing what is AM and what is original part, being new to Seio, even with zooming in like crazy and tying to learn the tell-tales. I thought the lume dot in the bezel looked a bit wrong, but on the other hand some of its dings look authentic. Back looks a bit polished, serial marks it as 1976...
Watch is available at 750 €, but I'd love to have one with as few AM parts as possible, except for the crystal, which seems all but inevitable.
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Post by hds on Jan 5, 2019 8:48:59 GMT -8
Okay, so I will stay away from this one, thanks a lot, folks! One of the fine things about hunting watches is that there are folks out there helping you learn the ropes. On some forums, not so much, on others it feels good to ask some stupid questions.
I hope it will be okay to bother you again (instead of writing Duncan or Spencer personally *coughsorryguyscough*)
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Post by m84 on Jan 5, 2019 8:49:46 GMT -8
As siad, the insert is not original nor made by Seiko. [/div][/quote] And here I was thinking that it was an SKX bezel! What are the tell tale signs you identify?
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Post by hds on Jan 5, 2019 8:57:22 GMT -8
Btw, the seller says the Date change happened because he pulled the crown when setting the hands for the photo.
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Post by seikoshepherd on Jan 5, 2019 8:57:26 GMT -8
As siad, the insert is not original nor made by Seiko. And here I was thinking that it was an SKX bezel! What are the tell tale signs you identify? For one... the size of the Pip. On 6306-70xx and 6309-70xx it’s much larger.
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Post by hds on Jan 5, 2019 9:02:15 GMT -8
Here is another candidate from eBay:
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Post by small on Jan 5, 2019 9:03:04 GMT -8
Btw, the seller says the Date change happened because he pulled the crown when setting the hands for the photo. That doesn't make sense. The crown looks pressed in, in the photo. Pulling it out wouldn't have the date jump. if it did there are issues.
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Post by m84 on Jan 5, 2019 9:04:07 GMT -8
And here I was thinking that it was an SKX bezel! What are the tell tale signs you identify? For one... the size of the Pip. On 6306-70xx and 6309-70xx it’s much larger. I know the pip size is different on these models. I’m wondering about why you said it wasn’t an original seiko one. Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 9:38:23 GMT -8
For one... the size of the Pip. On 6306-70xx and 6309-70xx it’s much larger. I know the pip size is different on these models. I’m wondering about why you said it wasn’t an original seiko one. Thanks The pip triangle tip extends over the edge of the insert on the 630x and the AM one in the picture. The SKX triangle tip stops exactly at the edge.
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Post by hds on Jan 5, 2019 9:48:30 GMT -8
Many thanks for the info. As someone who happily collects watches without really focussing on one brand or a range (so I have a rather messed up old Squale 2003 which seems totally frankensteinend, but is nice, but also 1655 or 1016 in better shape), it is always the most fascinating thing to learn the syntax and details. I wonder why people bother to fake watches that ain't THAT expensive, but hey... why make things easy for the buyer?
Any opinion on that other 6306 from France? Looks beaten up, which I always like a lot when it comes to these kind of more rugged watches, some smear on the hands which looks blurry on the $%&/()ing low-res-photos, probably looks polished... what do you think?
Otherwise I will wait what comes my way in 2019 :-D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 10:20:25 GMT -8
Here is another candidate from eBay: Now this one is honest. Everything looks original and you can see the patina on both the dial and hands. The case may or may not have been polished but it could be the lighting. Still way better than the first one you posted.
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Post by hds on Jan 5, 2019 14:16:24 GMT -8
Many many thanks to Zeke, for your quick and competent help. So this is the one I have bought, love the messed-up patina of the lume, nice contrast to my rather clean Willard and I love watches that look like a truck drove over them, especially in this price range (I have bought an PD Orfina last year that looks like it went through hell, beautiful piece, despite the fact that the Italian owner did some weird stuff to the inner works that had to be fixed ;°).
Really love the 6105-8110, despite the fact that it is not per se an «expensive» watch, but it wears beautifully. Expect this to be the same experience.
Much obliged, sir.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 19:45:27 GMT -8
Many many thanks to Zeke, for your quick and competent help. So this is the one I have bought, love the messed-up patina of the lume, nice contrast to my rather clean Willard and I love watches that look like a truck drove over them, especially in this price range (I have bought an PD Orfina last year that looks like it went through hell, beautiful piece, despite the fact that the Italian owner did some weird stuff to the inner works that had to be fixed ;°). Really love the 6105-8110, despite the fact that it is not per se an «expensive» watch, but it wears beautifully. Expect this to be the same experience. Much obliged, sir. You will be happy! Don't know if you saw this but I agree; good honest wear is a thing of beauty...
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